Conspiracy Theory

TheOak · 10-11-2012, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

You sure on that? It definitely came from the 2010 Championship game, have you got a link that shows otherwise?

This thread says investigation started in 2010:
http://blackandgold.com/saints/43112...-timeline.html

New York Times:

"In case you need a timeline of this whole bizarre case:

March 2: N.F.L. announces investigation into potential bounty program by Saints, first reported to the league by an anonymous player in 2010 and, the league says, corroborated with more evidence in 2011.

Wikipedia:
"The NFL began investigating the Saints in 2010 in response to allegations of deliberate attempts to injure players during the 2009–10 playoffs, but the investigation stalled until late in the 2011 season. blah blah blah"

I have seen nothing that said the league investigated bounties on the Saints in 2009.

Those statements are true the "official investigation" announcement was in 2010.

Put your investigator hat on for a minute and think about this. Would you "publicly announce" an investigation before you start? Are you giving the party you are investigating time to warm up the shredders?

Would you announce a public investigation of a multimillion dollar franchise before you had done a preliminary investigation and found probable cause to go public?

Why would you publicly announce a public investigation if not for a "dog and pony" show? The league investigating the Saints is essentially the league investigating it self.

Remember all of the "The saints were told to stop and they didnt"... Isnt that the reason for all of this? Why would the league tell the Saints to stop something in 2009 if they had no knowledge of this?

This was well underway and going on before the Vikings game.
"The league said that the Saints’ owner, Tom Benson, cooperated with the investigation and that when he was made aware of the new information in January before the playoffs, he told Loomis to stop the bounties immediately. Loomis did not take any action, the league said. When the initial allegation was made in 2010, Loomis denied any knowledge of the bounties and pledged that he would make sure no program was in place. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/sp...opponents.html

So no.. The investigation did not come out of the NFC Championship game against the Vikings... it was in full swing before.

Tobias-Reiper · 10-11-2012, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

This was well underway and going on before the Vikings game.
"The league said that the Saints’ owner, Tom Benson, cooperated with the investigation and that when he was made aware of the new information in January before the playoffs, he told Loomis to stop the bounties immediately. Loomis did not take any action, the league said. When the initial allegation was made in 2010, Loomis denied any knowledge of the bounties and pledged that he would make sure no program was in place. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/sp...opponents.html

So no.. The investigation did not come out of the NFC Championship game against the Vikings... it was in full swing before.

The League says a lot of things, but we know they aren't necessarily true.
As of today, I have not heard any allegations, any accusations, any information that points to any alleged bounty on anyone prior to the Vikings game. How did the league know this was happening? Who accused the Saints of putting bounties on players, and on which players, prior to the Vikings game? How did the league warned Benson? How did Benson warned Loomis? If it came from the league, given how lawyer-happy they are, wouldn't the warnings be in writing? Where are the written warnings?

As far as I know, for the information that has been made public, this all started with the Childress allegations of the Saints putting a bounty on Farve. It was later that people threw in the name Kurt Warner in there, and only because the shot he took.

10-11-2012, 06:55 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Conspiracy Theory Originally Posted by SaintsBro You sure on that? It definitely came from the 2010 Championship game, have you got a link that shows otherwise? This thread says investigation started in 2010: http://blackandgold.com/saints/43112...-timeline.html New York Times: "In case you need a timeline of this whole bizarre case: March 2: N.F.L. announces investigation into potential bounty program by Saints, first reported to the league by an anonymous player in 2010 and, the league says, corroborated with more evidence in 2011. Wikipedia: "The NFL began investigating the Saints in 2010 in response to allegations of deliberate attempts to injure players during the 2009–10 playoffs, but the investigation stalled until late in the 2011 season. blah blah blah" I have seen nothing that said the league investigated bounties on the Saints in 2009. Those statements are true the "official investigation" announcement was in 2010. Put your investigator hat on for a minute and think about this. Would you "publicly announce" an investigation before you start? Are you giving the party you are investigating time to warm up the shredders? Would you announce a public investigation of a multimillion dollar franchise before you had done a preliminary investigation and found probable cause to go public? Why would you publicly announce a public investigation if not for a "dog and pony" show? The league investigating the Saints is essentially the league investigating it self. Remember all of the "The saints were told to stop and they didnt"... Isnt that the reason for all of this? Why would the league tell the Saints to stop something in 2009 if they had no knowledge of this? This was well underway and going on before the Vikings game. "The league said that the Saints’ owner, Tom Benson, cooperated with the investigation and that when he was made aware of the new information in January before the playoffs, he told Loomis to stop the bounties immediately. Loomis did not take any action, the league said. When the initial allegation was made in 2010, Loomis denied any knowledge of the bounties and pledged that he would make sure no program was in place. " http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/sp...opponents.html So no.. The investigation did not come out of the NFC Championship game against the Vikings... it was in full swing before.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

10-11-2012, 10:47 AM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Conspiracy Theory Originally Posted by x626xBlack This was well underway and going on before the Vikings game. "The league said* that the Saints’ owner, Tom Benson, cooperated with the investigation and that when he was made aware of the* new information in January before the playoffs, he told Loomis to stop the bounties immediately. Loomis did not take any action, the league said. When the initial allegation was made in 2010, Loomis denied any knowledge of the bounties and pledged that he would make sure no program was in place. " http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/sp...opponents.html So no.. The investigation did not come out of the NFC Championship game against the Vikings... it was in full swing before. The League says a lot of things, but we know they aren't necessarily true. As of today, I have not heard any allegations, any accusations, any information that points to any alleged bounty on anyone prior to the Vikings game. How did the league know this was happening? Who accused the Saints of putting bounties on players, and on which players, prior to the Vikings game? How did the league warned Benson? How did Benson warned Loomis? If it came from the league, given how lawyer-happy they are, wouldn't the warnings be in writing? Where are the written warnings? As far as I know, for the information that has been made public, this all started with the Childress allegations of the Saints putting a bounty on Farve. It was later that people threw in the name Kurt Warner in there, and only because the shot he took.
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