Defensive brilliance or luck?

TheOak · 10-22-2012, 08:35 AM

I am seeing the same flashes of brilliance that many of us are seeing with our defense, but I have to wonder...

Is it: A or B?

Can we actually pull this off with what we have presently?

Shoe. · 10-22-2012, 08:37 AM

Maybe...just maybe

Vilma almost got a pick, and Roman Harper got ROBBED; we get a couple of those tipped balls/missed calls and maybe that game yesterday isn't as close

TheOak · 10-22-2012, 08:44 AM

But isn't the key to Spags D pressure on the QB? We are at the bottom 1/3 of the league with QB hits and sacks.

bobdog86 · 10-22-2012, 08:45 AM

Freeman still threw for 400+ yds. He's not a top tier QB. I see flashes of individual brilliance, still not their yet as a team. I think it's both actually. Spag's isn't done shopping yet, and the D is a work in progress, he'll get everyone on board, whether with the current pieces or w/ new ones. I just hope Manning takes a wrong turn to the stadium, otherwise he throw for a bajillion yards.

TheOak · 10-22-2012, 08:48 AM

I suppose the better question is... Not why we are having flashes of light, but rather...

Are we still giving up epic yardage because we are out of position, mismatched, just not good enough at key positions?

bobdog86 · 10-22-2012, 08:53 AM

i just don't think we are good enough in key positions, after 6 games the fellas should know their responsibilities by now. Never really thought about it till now, but at one time we made better half time adjustments both on Offense and Defense, not sure that's the case now.

saintfan · 10-22-2012, 08:53 AM

Too many WR's are just WIDE open. No DB even in the frame when the catch is made. I don't know. Is it scheme? Is it players?

Whatever it is it isn't good, and just as I said after game 1, we're going to have to score 30+ a game. The good news is we can. The bad news is we have to.

WhoDat!656 · 10-22-2012, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Too many WR's are just WIDE open. No DB even in the frame when the catch is made. I don't know. Is it scheme? Is it players?

Whatever it is it isn't good, and just as I said after game 1, we're going to have to score 30+ a game. The good news is we can. The bad news is we have to.

Turn the coin over; not a lot of teams can score 30+ points as easily as the Saints.

I am not saying that our defense isn't in need of a major overhaul. If the Saints offense has an off-day, or have to play in an inclement weather, and our so-called defense can't stop anyone from scoring 21-24 points, we will be in major trouble.

TheOak · 10-22-2012, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Turn the coin over; not a lot of teams can score 30+ points as easily as the Saints.

I am not saying that our defense isn't in need of a major overhaul. If the Saints offense has an off-day, or have to play in an inclement weather, and our so-called defense can't stop anyone from scoring 21-24 points, we will be in major trouble.

pre 2012 I agree... In 2012 we are missing the "play caller"... That's a big issue, we have seen it in the first 6 games. If Vitt doesn't do much of a better job the big plays will be our demise.

st thomas · 10-24-2012, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Too many WR's are just WIDE open. No DB even in the frame when the catch is made. I don't know. Is it scheme? Is it players?

Whatever it is it isn't good, and just as I said after game 1, we're going to have to score 30+ a game. The good news is we can. The bad news is we have to.

ur right on sf. and our guys pointing here and there after the play. they still have a ways to go / learn the spags d

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Are players catching on to Spags defense which means we can certainly improve.	20	60.61%
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10-22-2012, 08:35 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Defensive brilliance or luck? I am seeing the same flashes of brilliance that many of us are seeing with our defense, but I have to wonder... Is it: A or B? Can we actually pull this off with what we have presently?

10-22-2012, 08:37 AM	#2
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Maybe...just maybe Vilma almost got a pick, and Roman Harper got ROBBED; we get a couple of those tipped balls/missed calls and maybe that game yesterday isn't as close

10-22-2012, 08:44 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? But isn't the key to Spags D pressure on the QB? We are at the bottom 1/3 of the league with QB hits and sacks.

10-22-2012, 08:45 AM	#4
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,483	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Freeman still threw for 400+ yds. He's not a top tier QB. I see flashes of individual brilliance, still not their yet as a team. I think it's both actually. Spag's isn't done shopping yet, and the D is a work in progress, he'll get everyone on board, whether with the current pieces or w/ new ones. I just hope Manning takes a wrong turn to the stadium, otherwise he throw for a bajillion yards. UK_WhoDat, arsaint, Shoe. and 1 others like this.

10-22-2012, 08:48 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? I suppose the better question is... Not why we are having flashes of light, but rather... Are we still giving up epic yardage because we are out of position, mismatched, just not good enough at key positions?

10-22-2012, 08:53 AM	#6
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,483	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? i just don't think we are good enough in key positions, after 6 games the fellas should know their responsibilities by now. Never really thought about it till now, but at one time we made better half time adjustments both on Offense and Defense, not sure that's the case now.

10-22-2012, 08:53 AM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Too many WR's are just WIDE open. No DB even in the frame when the catch is made. I don't know. Is it scheme? Is it players? Whatever it is it isn't good, and just as I said after game 1, we're going to have to score 30+ a game. The good news is we can. The bad news is we have to. st thomas and pherein like this.

10-22-2012, 09:16 AM	#8
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,085	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Originally Posted by saintfan Too many WR's are just WIDE open. No DB even in the frame when the catch is made. I don't know. Is it scheme? Is it players? Whatever it is it isn't good, and just as I said after game 1, we're going to have to score 30+ a game. The good news is we can. The bad news is we have to. Turn the coin over; not a lot of teams can score 30+ points as easily as the Saints. I am not saying that our defense isn't in need of a major overhaul. If the Saints offense has an off-day, or have to play in an inclement weather, and our so-called defense can't stop anyone from scoring 21-24 points, we will be in major trouble.

10-22-2012, 09:34 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Turn the coin over; not a lot of teams can score 30+ points as easily as the Saints. I am not saying that our defense isn't in need of a major overhaul. If the Saints offense has an off-day, or have to play in an inclement weather, and our so-called defense can't stop anyone from scoring 21-24 points, we will be in major trouble. pre 2012 I agree... In 2012 we are missing the "play caller"... That's a big issue, we have seen it in the first 6 games. If Vitt doesn't do much of a better job the big plays will be our demise.

10-24-2012, 01:35 PM	#10
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Originally Posted by saintfan Too many WR's are just WIDE open. No DB even in the frame when the catch is made. I don't know. Is it scheme? Is it players? Whatever it is it isn't good, and just as I said after game 1, we're going to have to score 30+ a game. The good news is we can. The bad news is we have to. ur right on sf. and our guys pointing here and there after the play. they still have a ways to go / learn the spags d

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