Ingram, what's wrong.

Lifer · 10-23-2012, 02:13 PM

The issue isn't who is running the ball it is how the Saints run the ball. The Saints are a pass first team. Drew Brees is by far the best player. The offensive philosophy is to run just enough to keep the defense off balance so Brees can get passing lanes off of play action. The Saints are only committed to the run to the extent that they don't get too one dimensional. But that's completely different than some other teams, like for example the 49ers who are a run first team. If you put Pierre Thomas or Mark Ingram on the 49ers their stats would improve dramatically. What I question is given the way the Saints use the run, why did they give up a 1st round pick on Ingram. To me, that makes no sense.

Budsdrinker · 10-24-2012, 08:47 AM

What I question is given the way the Saints use the run, why did they give up a 1st round pick on Ingram. To me, that makes no sense.[/QUOTE]

Because at the time we did not have a healthy running back. We had to do it and it was a good pick, we just don't use him enough.

pinch · 10-23-2012, 02:47 PM

I see Ingram's main role as giving P.T. a break so he doesn't wear down throughout the year or get injured, that's about it.

Speedy Ron · 10-24-2012, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by pinch

I see Ingram's main role as giving P.T. a break so he doesn't wear down throughout the year or get injured, that's about it.

I agree, but i cant seem to think that is why they drafted him. He is an overpriced fill in. Ivory and cadet could do the same thing for 1/10th the money. again, i wish they would showcase him, let him blow up, and get a D lineman or safety or cb, or lb out of the deal. truthfully at this point if they got a 2nd rounder for him that would be a great deal. we do better with NON first round picks anyway

Shoe. · 10-24-2012, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

He is an overpriced fill in. Ivory and cadet could do the same thing for 1/10th the money. again, i wish they would showcase him, let him blow up, and get a D lineman or safety or cb, or lb out of the deal. truthfully at this point if they got a 2nd rounder for him that would be a great deal. we do better with NON first round picks anyway

If we end up losing a couple more games this may very well be the strategy we see employed. Seems logical to me

If the playoffs are out of reach and its a game where we can't play spoiler for someone else, heck, why not sit Drew down after he gets his first TD pass, and run that rock all day long

SaintsBro · 10-24-2012, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

He is an overpriced fill in. Ivory and cadet could do the same thing for 1/10th the money.

I dunno about "overpriced," Ingram is actually earning below average salary for an NFL running back, and Ingram's WHOLE FOUR YEAR CONTRACT with the Saints is worth less than what many starting RB's are getting just THIS YEAR alone. Ivory is $540,000 and Ingram is $712,125, Cadet is $390,000.... That's not "1/10th of the money." All three of those guys COMBINED are still less than either Pierre or Sproles... I'm among the first to say he's not producing or is not delivering what I expected from him or whatever, but overpriced is just not really part of it with Ingram.

Rugby Saint II · 10-24-2012, 04:11 PM

He's in the wrong system........

Danno · 10-24-2012, 04:54 PM

"The only thing keeping Mark Ingram from being rookie of the year is me." - Sean Payton

I think Mark would benefit greatly if Payton was calling the plays

Danno · 10-25-2012, 11:54 AM

Also noticed this on another site... from August T-P

RECENT NEWS
Chris Ivory is off to a "lost start" in training camp, according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

In addition to putting the ball on the ground too often, Ivory has also struggled with pre-snap mental lapses. OC Pete Carmichael calls the fumbling problem "not acceptable," and Ivory has managed just 30 yards on a team-high 17 preseason carries (1.8 YPC). Contrary to pre-camp speculation, Ivory is not a serious threat to Mark Ingram's role as the primary back between the tackles, in clock-killing mode and in short-yardage.
With rookie Travaris Cadet impressing, Ivory should be available for trade. Aug 16 - 7:17 PM

Budsdrinker · 10-25-2012, 03:08 PM

I have a feeling with Morgan being out this week and it's snowing in Denver that Ivory will be activated. We will need to run the ball and with the elevation issues an extra RB can be a help.

10-23-2012, 02:13 PM	#1
Lifer Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 69	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. The issue isn't who is running the ball it is how the Saints run the ball. The Saints are a pass first team. Drew Brees is by far the best player. The offensive philosophy is to run just enough to keep the defense off balance so Brees can get passing lanes off of play action. The Saints are only committed to the run to the extent that they don't get too one dimensional. But that's completely different than some other teams, like for example the 49ers who are a run first team. If you put Pierre Thomas or Mark Ingram on the 49ers their stats would improve dramatically. What I question is given the way the Saints use the run, why did they give up a 1st round pick on Ingram. To me, that makes no sense.
Lifer Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 69

10-24-2012, 08:47 AM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. What I question is given the way the Saints use the run, why did they give up a 1st round pick on Ingram. To me, that makes no sense.[/QUOTE] Because at the time we did not have a healthy running back. We had to do it and it was a good pick, we just don't use him enough.

10-23-2012, 02:47 PM	#3
pinch 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Diamondhead, MS Posts: 272 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. I see Ingram's main role as giving P.T. a break so he doesn't wear down throughout the year or get injured, that's about it.

10-24-2012, 10:28 AM	#4
Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. Originally Posted by pinch I see Ingram's main role as giving P.T. a break so he doesn't wear down throughout the year or get injured, that's about it. I agree, but i cant seem to think that is why they drafted him. He is an overpriced fill in. Ivory and cadet could do the same thing for 1/10th the money. again, i wish they would showcase him, let him blow up, and get a D lineman or safety or cb, or lb out of the deal. truthfully at this point if they got a 2nd rounder for him that would be a great deal. we do better with NON first round picks anyway

10-24-2012, 10:51 AM	#5
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. Originally Posted by Speedy Ron He is an overpriced fill in. Ivory and cadet could do the same thing for 1/10th the money. again, i wish they would showcase him, let him blow up, and get a D lineman or safety or cb, or lb out of the deal. truthfully at this point if they got a 2nd rounder for him that would be a great deal. we do better with NON first round picks anyway If we end up losing a couple more games this may very well be the strategy we see employed. Seems logical to me If the playoffs are out of reach and its a game where we can't play spoiler for someone else, heck, why not sit Drew down after he gets his first TD pass, and run that rock all day long

10-24-2012, 01:14 PM	#6
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. Originally Posted by Speedy Ron He is an overpriced fill in. Ivory and cadet could do the same thing for 1/10th the money. I dunno about "overpriced," Ingram is actually earning below average salary for an NFL running back, and Ingram's WHOLE FOUR YEAR CONTRACT with the Saints is worth less than what many starting RB's are getting just THIS YEAR alone. Ivory is $540,000 and Ingram is $712,125, Cadet is $390,000.... That's not "1/10th of the money." All three of those guys COMBINED are still less than either Pierre or Sproles... I'm among the first to say he's not producing or is not delivering what I expected from him or whatever, but overpriced is just not really part of it with Ingram. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-24-2012, 04:11 PM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. He's in the wrong system........

10-24-2012, 04:54 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. "The only thing keeping Mark Ingram from being rookie of the year is me." - Sean Payton I think Mark would benefit greatly if Payton was calling the plays SaintsBro likes this.

10-25-2012, 11:54 AM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. Also noticed this on another site... from August T-P RECENT NEWS Chris Ivory is off to a "lost start" in training camp, according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune. In addition to putting the ball on the ground too often, Ivory has also struggled with pre-snap mental lapses. OC Pete Carmichael calls the fumbling problem "not acceptable," and Ivory has managed just 30 yards on a team-high 17 preseason carries (1.8 YPC). Contrary to pre-camp speculation, Ivory is not a serious threat to Mark Ingram's role as the primary back between the tackles, in clock-killing mode and in short-yardage. With rookie Travaris Cadet impressing, Ivory should be available for trade. Aug 16 - 7:17 PM

10-25-2012, 03:08 PM	#10
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. I have a feeling with Morgan being out this week and it's snowing in Denver that Ivory will be activated. We will need to run the ball and with the elevation issues an extra RB can be a help.

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