Resign please spags

burningmetal · 10-29-2012, 12:40 AM

There is no way to blame just spags. But he is without question a big part of the blame. We clearly have no personnel to match his system, but he needs to be flexible enough to see that fact and adjust. There's no way to make this unit good, with the players we have, but it could be at least a little better. I hated GW's scheme, it was too risky and more often than not didn't pay off. But at this point, I'll take getting burned often over getting burned on almost every single play. In other words... BLITZ!! And keep blitzing, no matter what, because eventually you're bound to get there, and it may just cause a turnover. This four man rush is useless.

Vrillon82 · 10-29-2012, 02:10 AM

I dont blame Spags for the Defense.

I blame the guys we got on Defense because only about 2 or 3 of them truly can understand a scheme.

You wonder why Gregg Williams blitzed so much and kept things simple?

You seeing it, most of the defense needs Gutted.

B_Dub_Saint · 10-29-2012, 02:14 AM

I've been preaching this all year, Manning didn't even have to get fancy with his audibles tonight. They just ran the damn ball down our throats. If a freakin NFL defensive coordinator cannot even adjust to the run game and figure out a way to stop a simple draw, then he needs to coach pop warner. I'll never give up on this team, I've been there with the good and the bad but this is very bad.

What really upsets me is in the past when we had bad seasons, we usually had no talent. That's not the case with this team, we have all the talent in the world with no
one to coach them properly.

B_Dub_Saint · 10-29-2012, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

I dont blame Spags for the Defense.

I blame the guys we got on Defense because only about 2 or 3 of them truly can understand a scheme.

You wonder why Gregg Williams blitzed so much and kept things simple?

You seeing it, most of the defense needs Gutted.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Greg Williams defense was way more complex than what we are running now. GW had about 20 different looks a game, all Spags does is run 2 deep zone and every QB in the league slices us up and every RB gashes us. A zone defense is a very simple defense that you learn in middle school. JMO

Jamessr · 10-29-2012, 06:39 AM

Even if the defense held one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game it wouldn't of mattered. They had stopped our offense anyway. Total team effort by Denver and not us. At this point yeah I don't think a wildcard place is going to happen. Just as well let Sprags have the rest of the season to get the defense going.!

SaintsBro · 10-29-2012, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Greg Williams defense was way more complex than what we are running now. GW had about 20 different looks a game, all Spags does is run 2 deep zone and every QB in the league slices us up and every RB gashes us. A zone defense is a very simple defense that you learn in middle school. JMO

I know. With Gregg Williams you would have guys moving around, changing position, feigning the blitz, lining up in different positions on different plays, moving around, jumping in and out -- a ton of different looks. Sharper would crouch down like a bird and just tiptoe, walk around back there, creeping, so the QB sees that and goes uh-oh, WTF is he gonna do....This defense all just seems very vanilla, even to somebody with a less than trained eye for defense, it's like they just line up and that's it -- nothing to disguise or confuse or make the other team guess or worry. There's nothing threatening about it at all. Which is why teams march down the field so effortlessly against it.

papz · 10-29-2012, 07:35 AM

Obviously I'm going to be in minority here, but I still believe that Spags will be a very good hire. I'm giving him until at least the end of year 2. I'm not where close to jumping the gun after half a season.

dizzle88 · 10-29-2012, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I know. With Gregg Williams you would have guys moving around, changing position, feigning the blitz, lining up in different positions on different plays, moving around, jumping in and out -- a ton of different looks. Sharper would crouch down like a bird and just tiptoe, walk around back there, creeping, so the QB sees that and goes uh-oh, WTF is he gonna do....This defense all just seems very vanilla, even to somebody with a less than trained eye for defense, it's like they just line up and that's it -- nothing to disguise or confuse or make the other team guess or worry. There's nothing threatening about it at all. Which is why teams march down the field so effortlessly against it.

And those bits i highlighted in bold, were the key to our superbowl win vs manning

Peyton got comfortable and all of a sudden, we gave him one look so had a play designed for it, and then we'd completely change it before the ball was snapped

Go watch the superbowl highlights, our defense confused the hell out of manning with multiple audibles

spags just let them line up and manning just thought "well pat robinson is there weak link, i'm going to abuse him all day" and he did just that

would we even get anything in a trade for robinson now everyone has seen he's just jason david in disguise?

SloMotion · 10-29-2012, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Obviously I'm going to be in minority here, but I still believe that Spags will be a very good hire. I'm giving him until at least the end of year 2. I'm not where close to jumping the gun after half a season.

I didn't watch the game as I was at Game 4 of the World Series watching the SF Giants give my Tigers the broom in our own backyard, thank-you very much,

, but I saw some of the lowlites of the Saints/Broncos game later on.

I agree, in a situation like this you have to withhold judgement on Spags at least until he's had some time with the Saints coaching staff fully intact. It sucks, and it's supposed to suck, and it makes me hate Goodell and the NFL just that much more ... you circle the wagons, you take the pain, you live to fight another day.

Resiliency.

saintsfan1976 · 10-29-2012, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Obviously I'm going to be in minority here, but I still believe that Spags will be a very good hire. I'm giving him until at least the end of year 2. I'm not where close to jumping the gun after half a season.

I agree. This defense was bad before Spags got here.

I'm not going to blame this entirely on him because he isn't blowing coverages, missing tackles and getting pushed around every week.

10-29-2012, 12:40 AM	#11
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Resign please spags There is no way to blame just spags. But he is without question a big part of the blame. We clearly have no personnel to match his system, but he needs to be flexible enough to see that fact and adjust. There's no way to make this unit good, with the players we have, but it could be at least a little better. I hated GW's scheme, it was too risky and more often than not didn't pay off. But at this point, I'll take getting burned often over getting burned on almost every single play. In other words... BLITZ!! And keep blitzing, no matter what, because eventually you're bound to get there, and it may just cause a turnover. This four man rush is useless.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-29-2012, 02:10 AM	#12
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Resign please spags I dont blame Spags for the Defense. I blame the guys we got on Defense because only about 2 or 3 of them truly can understand a scheme. You wonder why Gregg Williams blitzed so much and kept things simple? You seeing it, most of the defense needs Gutted. QBREES9 and NuNu318 like this.
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10-29-2012, 02:14 AM	#13
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Resign please spags I've been preaching this all year, Manning didn't even have to get fancy with his audibles tonight. They just ran the damn ball down our throats. If a freakin NFL defensive coordinator cannot even adjust to the run game and figure out a way to stop a simple draw, then he needs to coach pop warner. I'll never give up on this team, I've been there with the good and the bad but this is very bad. What really upsets me is in the past when we had bad seasons, we usually had no talent. That's not the case with this team, we have all the talent in the world with no one to coach them properly.
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10-29-2012, 02:19 AM	#14
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Resign please spags Originally Posted by Vrillon82 I dont blame Spags for the Defense. I blame the guys we got on Defense because only about 2 or 3 of them truly can understand a scheme. You wonder why Gregg Williams blitzed so much and kept things simple? You seeing it, most of the defense needs Gutted. I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Greg Williams defense was way more complex than what we are running now. GW had about 20 different looks a game, all Spags does is run 2 deep zone and every QB in the league slices us up and every RB gashes us. A zone defense is a very simple defense that you learn in middle school. JMO Nemesis and blackangold like this.

10-29-2012, 06:39 AM	#15
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Resign please spags Even if the defense held one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game it wouldn't of mattered. They had stopped our offense anyway. Total team effort by Denver and not us. At this point yeah I don't think a wildcard place is going to happen. Just as well let Sprags have the rest of the season to get the defense going.!

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10-29-2012, 07:27 AM	#16
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Resign please spags Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Greg Williams defense was way more complex than what we are running now. GW had about 20 different looks a game, all Spags does is run 2 deep zone and every QB in the league slices us up and every RB gashes us. A zone defense is a very simple defense that you learn in middle school. JMO I know. With Gregg Williams you would have guys moving around, changing position, feigning the blitz, lining up in different positions on different plays, moving around, jumping in and out -- a ton of different looks. Sharper would crouch down like a bird and just tiptoe, walk around back there, creeping, so the QB sees that and goes uh-oh, WTF is he gonna do....This defense all just seems very vanilla, even to somebody with a less than trained eye for defense, it's like they just line up and that's it -- nothing to disguise or confuse or make the other team guess or worry. There's nothing threatening about it at all. Which is why teams march down the field so effortlessly against it. dizzle88 likes this.

10-29-2012, 07:35 AM	#17
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Resign please spags Obviously I'm going to be in minority here, but I still believe that Spags will be a very good hire. I'm giving him until at least the end of year 2. I'm not where close to jumping the gun after half a season. leilung, Budsdrinker, GOULA SAINT and 3 others like this.

10-29-2012, 07:36 AM	#18
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Resign please spags Originally Posted by SaintsBro I know. With Gregg Williams you would have guys moving around, changing position, feigning the blitz, lining up in different positions on different plays, moving around, jumping in and out -- a ton of different looks. Sharper would crouch down like a bird and just tiptoe, walk around back there, creeping, so the QB sees that and goes uh-oh, WTF is he gonna do....This defense all just seems very vanilla, even to somebody with a less than trained eye for defense, it's like they just line up and that's it -- nothing to disguise or confuse or make the other team guess or worry. There's nothing threatening about it at all. Which is why teams march down the field so effortlessly against it. And those bits i highlighted in bold, were the key to our superbowl win vs manning Peyton got comfortable and all of a sudden, we gave him one look so had a play designed for it, and then we'd completely change it before the ball was snapped Go watch the superbowl highlights, our defense confused the hell out of manning with multiple audibles spags just let them line up and manning just thought "well pat robinson is there weak link, i'm going to abuse him all day" and he did just that would we even get anything in a trade for robinson now everyone has seen he's just jason david in disguise?
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10-29-2012, 07:55 AM	#19
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Resign please spags Originally Posted by papz Obviously I'm going to be in minority here, but I still believe that Spags will be a very good hire. I'm giving him until at least the end of year 2. I'm not where close to jumping the gun after half a season. I didn't watch the game as I was at Game 4 of the World Series watching the SF Giants give my Tigers the broom in our own backyard, thank-you very much, , but I saw some of the lowlites of the Saints/Broncos game later on. I agree, in a situation like this you have to withhold judgement on Spags at least until he's had some time with the Saints coaching staff fully intact. It sucks, and it's supposed to suck, and it makes me hate Goodell and the NFL just that much more ... you circle the wagons, you take the pain, you live to fight another day. Resiliency. papz, leilung, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

10-29-2012, 08:16 AM	#20
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Resign please spags Originally Posted by papz Obviously I'm going to be in minority here, but I still believe that Spags will be a very good hire. I'm giving him until at least the end of year 2. I'm not where close to jumping the gun after half a season. I agree. This defense was bad before Spags got here. I'm not going to blame this entirely on him because he isn't blowing coverages, missing tackles and getting pushed around every week. papz, Ashley, st thomas and 1 others like this.
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