Whose job is it to scout D personnel?

Haps Biggest Fan · 10-29-2012, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

If it was Mickey Loomis who was really the one picking all the players all by himself, without input from the coaches, in a vacuum, then the Haslett teams would have been better than they were, and/or the Super Bowl and 13-3 teams would have been more average/mediocre like the 8-8 Haslett teams. If Loomis was really that bad, if he were really so incompetent, then the current Saints under both Haslett and Payton would be worse than their record during Randy Mueller era.

The way it REALLY works is that Sean Payton, Steve Spagnuolo, Mickey Loomis and the coaching and scouting staff all sit around with lists of names on pieces of paper, and discuss them and arrive at consensus on what they want. The scouting on D is way too inconsistent, but look who is the head coach, look at his background, where do you think his mind is at most of the time, in these scouting meetings? It's a real weakness the team has, but it's not Loomis.

Mickey Loomis is responsible for all football operations, coaching, player personnel and scouting, salary cap management, contract negotiations, athletic training, equipment, video and communications. He has over 25 years in the NFL so to say he is not a "football guy" is pretty absurd.

No matter how much people want it, we will never see a Saints team with this offense and a dominant Dome Patrol style defense, AT THE SAME TIME. It just won't happen.

I appreciate this post. Thanks.

Spags hasn't finished his first year, so, I'm not sure whether he's to blame for this horrible roster on D. That leaves Coach Payton ( an offense guy), and Loomis ( a businessman, accountant, but, not an expert on talent eval).

The Saints need to improve the Front Office. When I say a "football guy" is needed, I mean that the Saints need a guy who is not only a talented scout, but, who can supervise the scouts who are his subordinates.

The Saints D roster has been declining for years, despite the fact that money WAS spent for this roster. SOMEBODY or SOMETHING is responsible for the failure. If the cause of the problem can't be identified, then, this problem won't be solved. The problem has been festering for years, and, it looks to fester for more years.

Some people say that Spags is the problem -- Spags -- they guy who hasn't finished his first year here. That doesn't compute. Let's take a harder look at the people who have been here longer and had more input in building this "roster" on D.

This may well turn out the be the worst Defense in the HISTORY of the National Football League. Fans have a right to be angry and to demand answers.

10-29-2012, 11:23 AM	#13
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	Re: Whose job is it to scout D personnel? Originally Posted by SaintsBro If it was Mickey Loomis who was really the one picking all the players all by himself, without input from the coaches, in a vacuum, then the Haslett teams would have been better than they were, and/or the Super Bowl and 13-3 teams would have been more average/mediocre like the 8-8 Haslett teams. If Loomis was really that bad, if he were really so incompetent, then the current Saints under both Haslett and Payton would be worse than their record during Randy Mueller era. The way it REALLY works is that Sean Payton, Steve Spagnuolo, Mickey Loomis and the coaching and scouting staff all sit around with lists of names on pieces of paper, and discuss them and arrive at consensus on what they want. The scouting on D is way too inconsistent, but look who is the head coach, look at his background, where do you think his mind is at most of the time, in these scouting meetings? It's a real weakness the team has, but it's not Loomis. Mickey Loomis is responsible for all football operations, coaching, player personnel and scouting, salary cap management, contract negotiations, athletic training, equipment, video and communications. He has over 25 years in the NFL so to say he is not a "football guy" is pretty absurd. No matter how much people want it, we will never see a Saints team with this offense and a dominant Dome Patrol style defense, AT THE SAME TIME. It just won't happen. I appreciate this post. Thanks. Spags hasn't finished his first year, so, I'm not sure whether he's to blame for this horrible roster on D. That leaves Coach Payton ( an offense guy), and Loomis ( a businessman, accountant, but, not an expert on talent eval). The Saints need to improve the Front Office. When I say a "football guy" is needed, I mean that the Saints need a guy who is not only a talented scout, but, who can supervise the scouts who are his subordinates. The Saints D roster has been declining for years, despite the fact that money WAS spent for this roster. SOMEBODY or SOMETHING is responsible for the failure. If the cause of the problem can't be identified, then, this problem won't be solved. The problem has been festering for years, and, it looks to fester for more years. Some people say that Spags is the problem -- Spags -- they guy who hasn't finished his first year here. That doesn't compute. Let's take a harder look at the people who have been here longer and had more input in building this "roster" on D. This may well turn out the be the worst Defense in the HISTORY of the National Football League. Fans have a right to be angry and to demand answers.
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