Mid Season Evaluation

SaintsBro · 10-29-2012, 10:16 AM

I would add to the list of complaints from last night....

there was no reason Drew should have been in that game, taking hits and getting thrown to the turf, with the score at 31-7 with 5:27 to play. No reason.

I'm not saying play Chase the rest of the year...but at Drew's age you HAVE to look at it like, Drew only has so many times left in his body that he can get thrown down and pounded into the turf like that. It's a finite number of hits he can take, and it's counting down. With that arm and shoulder of his, his overall pitch count is eventually going to be come a longterm concern, as well. Don't waste them.

TheOak · 10-29-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I would add to the list of complaints from last night....

there was no reason Drew should have been in that game, taking hits and getting thrown to the turf, with the score at 31-7 with 5:27 to play. No reason.

I'm not saying play Chase the rest of the year...but at Drew's age you HAVE to look at it like, Drew only has so many times left in his body that he can get thrown down and pounded into the turf like that. It's a finite number of hits he can take, and it's counting down. With that arm and shoulder of his, his overall pitch count is eventually going to be come a longterm concern, as well. Don't waste them.

Did you listen to the commentary from the guys in the booth?

Drew was asked why Sproles being as productive as he is is not on the field with the ball for more plays.. Drew's reply was because "we do not want to put unneeded wear and tare on him"...

Looks like no one is looking out for Drew.

Papa Voodoo · 10-29-2012, 11:10 AM

The O had no tempo. They needed to stick with PT for a series and get in and out of plays quickly. Too many RB substitutions.

mike27 · 10-29-2012, 12:31 PM

Lots of thoughtful replies that I agree with--I might add, in truth, Drew wasn't at his best last night, didn't have his usual accuracy.

I just think people give the 100 million dollar man too much of a break. I think he'd probably say the same thing about his performance. I saw three or four short passes miss by "yards" and a few long ones well off the mark too.

I wondered last year, how many good defensive players some of that hundred million would buy.

Like I said on another thread--I guess we hang our hopes on a fluke, or just take the spoiler role. I know it'd make me happy if we could beat Atlanta. They seem to be barely winning a lot of games.

TheOak · 10-29-2012, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by mike27

Lots of thoughtful replies that I agree with--I might add, in truth, Drew wasn't at his best last night, didn't have his usual accuracy.

I just think people give the 100 million dollar man too much of a break. I think he'd probably say the same thing about his performance. I saw three or four short passes miss by "yards" and a few long ones well off the mark too.

I wondered last year, how many good defensive players some of that hundred million would buy.

Like I said on another thread--I guess we hang our hopes on a fluke, or just take the spoiler role. I know it'd make me happy if we could beat Atlanta. They seem to be barely winning a lot of games.

I know this is cliche' but the man is human... a 1$ QB or a $100mm Qb.. they ALL have of nights.

I would rather have a Brees off night of
22/42 214 yards 2 TD 1 INT
then say a P Manning off night of
24/27 241 yards 1 TD and 3 INTs.

spend a little time looking at the bad nights of the elites... They happen more often and worse than Drew's... The moral is that they ALL have them.

As far as the 100mm man comments... Honestly bro.. our defense sucked before we had 100mm man.

mike27 · 10-29-2012, 12:33 PM

My guess is a lot of the teams would rather play 3-4 or 4-3 teams rather than the Saints' even at 2-5, because on any given day, they can rack up points.

I still am unsure of the wisdom of taking the bye week off. Does anyone know if they're completely off, or do they actually study film and do light, conditioning work?

neugey · 10-29-2012, 01:02 PM

My two cents from last night.

The defense is not the Dome Patrol. It is more like the Dough Patrol. Or perhaps the Doh! Patrol.

Our run defense was horrible last night. There were run plays where our entire defense was getting pushed 3-4 yards backyard from the outset. It was like watching Wisconsin run the ball against a Division II team. Not acceptable.

Vilma should have been benched, his mind was obviously not in the game. He looked like a zombie out there.

There were a few positive signs with our running game, but it didn't really matter. The play calling and execution on 3rd down killed us.

I also agree, Chase should have been put in the game to mop up for Brees and just hand it off to Ingram and bleed out the game. Would have been a good time to work on the running game and get Ingram some extra reps. Instead Brees, Sproles and Graham are out there trying to fill out their stat sheets, going for it on fourth down, etc. It seems that fantasy football is dictating our strategy and not a team-first, winning approach. Disgusting.

TheOak · 10-29-2012, 01:32 PM

Another comment.

To all those who claim our 100 million was too much for Drew and should have been spent on the defense...

We have a suckyish defense every year.... actually all of the last 5 years except for one and we didnt have a 100 mm QB then.

Mardigras9 · 10-29-2012, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Another comment.

To all those who claim our 100 million was too much for Drew and should have been spent on the defense...

We have a suckyish defense every year.... actually all of the last 5 years except for one and we didnt have a 100 mm QB then.

It's just the number elite QB's are getting now. Next year someone will be higher. Can't hate him for pushing for his deal. For that matter, with the US 16 trillion in debt, there isn't a whole lot of good $ management anywhere it seems. His holdout was just one brick in the ****ty offseason this year.

RailBoss · 10-29-2012, 03:04 PM

Bingo regarding Vitt, Kromer & Spags the real Head Coachs are few and far between. If you think a team like the Saints can operate without someone like SP than you are delusional. RG knew what he was doing and the effect the suspensions would have on the team. The agony will continue for this team until next season. Our main achievement at this point will be to knock off Atlanta both games.

10-29-2012, 10:16 AM	#1
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mid Season Evaluation I would add to the list of complaints from last night.... there was no reason Drew should have been in that game, taking hits and getting thrown to the turf, with the score at 31-7 with 5:27 to play. No reason. I'm not saying play Chase the rest of the year...but at Drew's age you HAVE to look at it like, Drew only has so many times left in his body that he can get thrown down and pounded into the turf like that. It's a finite number of hits he can take, and it's counting down. With that arm and shoulder of his, his overall pitch count is eventually going to be come a longterm concern, as well. Don't waste them. neugey and RailBoss like this.

10-29-2012, 10:21 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Mid Season Evaluation Originally Posted by SaintsBro I would add to the list of complaints from last night.... there was no reason Drew should have been in that game, taking hits and getting thrown to the turf, with the score at 31-7 with 5:27 to play. No reason. I'm not saying play Chase the rest of the year...but at Drew's age you HAVE to look at it like, Drew only has so many times left in his body that he can get thrown down and pounded into the turf like that. It's a finite number of hits he can take, and it's counting down. With that arm and shoulder of his, his overall pitch count is eventually going to be come a longterm concern, as well. Don't waste them. Did you listen to the commentary from the guys in the booth? Drew was asked why Sproles being as productive as he is is not on the field with the ball for more plays.. Drew's reply was because "we do not want to put unneeded wear and tare on him"... Looks like no one is looking out for Drew.

10-29-2012, 11:10 AM	#3
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Mid Season Evaluation The O had no tempo. They needed to stick with PT for a series and get in and out of plays quickly. Too many RB substitutions.

10-29-2012, 12:31 PM	#4
mike27 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 104 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Mid Season Evaluation Lots of thoughtful replies that I agree with--I might add, in truth, Drew wasn't at his best last night, didn't have his usual accuracy. I just think people give the 100 million dollar man too much of a break. I think he'd probably say the same thing about his performance. I saw three or four short passes miss by "yards" and a few long ones well off the mark too. I wondered last year, how many good defensive players some of that hundred million would buy. Like I said on another thread--I guess we hang our hopes on a fluke, or just take the spoiler role. I know it'd make me happy if we could beat Atlanta. They seem to be barely winning a lot of games.

10-29-2012, 01:30 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Mid Season Evaluation Originally Posted by mike27 Lots of thoughtful replies that I agree with--I might add, in truth, Drew wasn't at his best last night, didn't have his usual accuracy. I just think people give the 100 million dollar man too much of a break. I think he'd probably say the same thing about his performance. I saw three or four short passes miss by "yards" and a few long ones well off the mark too. I wondered last year, how many good defensive players some of that hundred million would buy. Like I said on another thread--I guess we hang our hopes on a fluke, or just take the spoiler role. I know it'd make me happy if we could beat Atlanta. They seem to be barely winning a lot of games. I know this is cliche' but the man is human... a 1$ QB or a $100mm Qb.. they ALL have of nights. I would rather have a Brees off night of 22/42 214 yards 2 TD 1 INT then say a P Manning off night of 24/27 241 yards 1 TD and 3 INTs. spend a little time looking at the bad nights of the elites... They happen more often and worse than Drew's... The moral is that they ALL have them. As far as the 100mm man comments... Honestly bro.. our defense sucked before we had 100mm man.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

10-29-2012, 12:33 PM	#6
mike27 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 104 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Mid Season Evaluation My guess is a lot of the teams would rather play 3-4 or 4-3 teams rather than the Saints' even at 2-5, because on any given day, they can rack up points. I still am unsure of the wisdom of taking the bye week off. Does anyone know if they're completely off, or do they actually study film and do light, conditioning work?

10-29-2012, 01:02 PM	#7
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,859 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Mid Season Evaluation My two cents from last night. The defense is not the Dome Patrol. It is more like the Dough Patrol. Or perhaps the Doh! Patrol. Our run defense was horrible last night. There were run plays where our entire defense was getting pushed 3-4 yards backyard from the outset. It was like watching Wisconsin run the ball against a Division II team. Not acceptable. Vilma should have been benched, his mind was obviously not in the game. He looked like a zombie out there. There were a few positive signs with our running game, but it didn't really matter. The play calling and execution on 3rd down killed us. I also agree, Chase should have been put in the game to mop up for Brees and just hand it off to Ingram and bleed out the game. Would have been a good time to work on the running game and get Ingram some extra reps. Instead Brees, Sproles and Graham are out there trying to fill out their stat sheets, going for it on fourth down, etc. It seems that fantasy football is dictating our strategy and not a team-first, winning approach. Disgusting.

10-29-2012, 01:32 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Mid Season Evaluation Another comment. To all those who claim our 100 million was too much for Drew and should have been spent on the defense... We have a suckyish defense every year.... actually all of the last 5 years except for one and we didnt have a 100 mm QB then.

10-29-2012, 02:53 PM	#9
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Mid Season Evaluation Originally Posted by x626xBlack Another comment. To all those who claim our 100 million was too much for Drew and should have been spent on the defense... We have a suckyish defense every year.... actually all of the last 5 years except for one and we didnt have a 100 mm QB then. It's just the number elite QB's are getting now. Next year someone will be higher. Can't hate him for pushing for his deal. For that matter, with the US 16 trillion in debt, there isn't a whole lot of good $ management anywhere it seems. His holdout was just one brick in the ****ty offseason this year.

10-29-2012, 03:04 PM	#10
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Mid Season Evaluation Bingo regarding Vitt, Kromer & Spags the real Head Coachs are few and far between. If you think a team like the Saints can operate without someone like SP than you are delusional. RG knew what he was doing and the effect the suspensions would have on the team. The agony will continue for this team until next season. Our main achievement at this point will be to knock off Atlanta both games.

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