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I submit for your approval:

Game #1 Season opener vs. Redskins: (LOSS)
12 series
5 x 3-outs, totalling -43 yards (no positive yards in those series)
1 x 1 play interception that resulted in a td (oob at saints 3)
2 other series ending in turnovers, one fumble, one interception

1 second half td

Game #2 @ Carolina (LOSS)
13 series
2 x 3-outs, totalling 12 yards
2 x 1 play interceptions, 1 pick6, the other EOG
1 turnover on downs

2 second half tds, both after down 15

Game #3 Kansas City (LOSS)
14 series
3 x 3-outs totalling -3 yards
2 x 4-outs totalling 7 yards
1 x 2 play ending in safety
1 x 5 play interception resulting in fg

2 second half tds starting in KC red zone
no 4th quarter points (-18 yards gained), no yards gained in OT

Game #4 @ Green Bay (LOSS)
13 series
1 3-out first series, 9 yards
3 punts, 1 missed fg
1st and goal from 3 FG

1 second half td, 2 fgs one missed fg (too much time left anyway)

Game # 5 San Diego (WIN)
11 series
2 x 3-out, -3 yards total
4 punts
1 3 play interception resulting in TD

17 points from last 3 drives to win game

Game #6 @Tampa Bay (WIN)
10 series

1st series int for 1 play score
3 x 3-out, 19 yards total

1 second half td

Game #7 @ Denver (LOSS)
11 series
5 x 3-out, 15 yards total
1 int resulting in TD

1 second half TD in garbage time (9 minutes of possession in 2nd half)

Game #8 vs Philadelphia (WIN)
8 series
3/4/5-out punts, 36 yards total
1 Brees fumble resulting in score

1 2nd half TD, no 4th quarter scoring

Game #9 vs Atlanta (WIN)
11 series
3 x 3-out, 8 total yards
4 second half punts
1 1play int in NO redzone held to fg

10 second half points, 3 points in last 4 drives

Game #10 @ Oakland (WIN)
10 series
3 x 3-outs, 17 total yards
4 punts

17 second half points, 3 4th quarter points

Game #11 vs San Francisco (LOSS)
11 series
3 x 3-outs, 18 yards total
4 punts
2 pick 6's
2 turnovers on downs

7 points in second half, 0 in 4th quarter 14 yards on meaningful 2nd half drives

Season takeaway:

124 series
29 x 3-outs 58 total yards
50 punts (we had 46 punts in all 16 games last season)
11 interceptions (3 pick6)
2 fumbles lost (1 touchback)
3 series ended in downs
1 safety
3 missed FGs
67 total non-scoring drives
308 points
133 second half points, 62 points in second half in losses, 49 points scored when down by >14, all losses.

Same offense as last year, as year before, and year before, minus one guard and one head coach, but same OC, OLC, RBC QBC.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying. 11 games into the season, it's not about Sean Payton.

Guess what? We're 20+ million over the cap next year. We're going to lose a LOT of key personnel. This is going to be as good as it gets for a while!

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I hear it every year and Loomis bytchslaps it back in all the doomsayers faces.

He can make up 20 million by cutting or restructuring 3 or 4 players.

Its a non-issue.

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I sure hope not.

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Not jumping on any bandwagon, but Brees was the single biggest reason why the Saints lost to the 49ers this Sunday, IMO.

Especially that Brooks pick 6 was just unforgivable, without it, the Saints would've gone into the halftime with a TD lead and with the momentum on their side.

Still, as angry as I was with some of Brees' decision-making in that game and with the mistakes that followed... his positives far outweigh his negatives, even with his price-tag.

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If us losing all these games is Brees fault well gah we should just cut him .... Maybe dallas will cut romo and we can get a real leader at QB man hope that works ! BLLAHHHHHH !!!!!! Yes the game yesterday Those pick 6 killed us.... but gah blaming all these games we lose on brees is idiotic !

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When your defense holds the opponent to under 20 and you lose then you start to look to blame something other than the defense.

You're going to find a handful of games where you can squarely blame Drew Brees for the loss - a light handful.

We have become SO spoiled here. The ONLY player I'd even consider swapping for Brees is Brady, and I don't think I'd make that swap either.

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^^^^^^^^
Without Brees the Saints would be bottom feeders

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I said he tend to be like farve at times... but noway am I jumping on the 100% Blame Drew Brees bandwagon. Saints would be bottom feeders without him, that being said I wouldn't trade him for any other QB past or present.
He'll fix this... he always does

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Not to be insulting but I think anyone who doesn't realize that the only reason this game even mattered is pretty much because of Brees in the first place is simple minded.

What do you think our record would be if Cam Newton was our QB? Or Josh Freeman? Or Mattyboy?

We lost a game to one of the best teams in the league and possibly THE best defense. Brees made a bad decision on one play and was off target on another and now every other post is about how Brees is the problem and he's a selfish player who is going to cost us our future.

What a bunch of whiny ingrates! Without Brees we'd be lucky to have two wins. Even great QBs have bad games.

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I was just thinking about all the speculation about SP leaving for Dallas and I look at this Saints team. Terrible defense in need of major overhaul (Not SP's Specialty). Offensive line beginning to crumble and laden with over paid players. Looking at losing a lot of players on defense and a few on offense next year. That's not a very tempting outlook to draw SP back to NO. He'll have just as much and maybe a little more talent in Dallas and only needs to get a QB and a couple players to jump right back into the playoffs and be sucessful with a second team. I'm starting to get nervous about this situation. If SP doesn't want to coach more than another 5 years, Dallas just may be his best bet to get back to winning again. Our team is starting to look like a team in decline.

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I love Brees. Without him, well, I don't even want to think about how bad we would be. I do not think he is overpaid or selfish either.

That said, there is no question he was one of the key reasons we lost last night. It's not all on him, but he gets a slice of the failure pie with 2 cherries on top.

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Some people will never be happy, Brees is one of the best QB's in the league. Yes, the pick 6 to end the first half was brutal and he's had some other bad moments throughout the year but without Brees this team is not even close to being in the playoff hunt.

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Can't win every season. The fact we are still talking about making the playoffs this season is amazing in itself. Without Brees I doubt it would come up.

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You win as a team you Lose as a team. Thats it.

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I am really glad we have Brees. That said he sucked against the Niners. He should shoulder a great deal of the fault for the loss. Drew is still one of the best and all players perform poorly from time to time, but his timing was bad in this instance.

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To all of those saying that without Brees this team would be a 2 win team at best... I don't know if that is necessarily the case, because if Brees wasn't the QB of the Saints, they would have someone else play that spot other than Daniel. Now, I know that Brees is by far the best QB the Saints have ever had and one of the best QBs to ever play the game, but, still it isn't like if the Saints didn't have Brees as their QB they'd suit up Daniel instead.

I know there weren't many potential QB FAs available last offseason, but maybe a certain veteran QB could've been interested in playing in a city where his father played before him if it were reported early that Brees wasn't re-signing with the Saints?!

Brees makes this team better, but that doesn't mean that we can't be critical of his performances when they are below what is realistic to expect from a player of his caliber - I know he probably feels that way himself.

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I'm thrilled that Drew Brees is a Saint, however there are 31 other starting QB's in the league and quite a few of them have whipped our azz this year. You don't HAVE to be Drew Brees to win a Superbowl. There have been, what, 46 Superbowls won WITHOUT Drew Brees. Imagine that. I know a couple Mannings who have gotten back more than twice. The total DOLT Ben Roethlisburger gets Super Bowl repeats, for Christ's sake.

Love me some #9, but all this Superman shat is fantasy. When he stinks one up, he really stinks it up.

Really, the only thing he does CONSISTENTLY is start and throw at least ONE TD per game.

Again; LOVE me some Drew. But let's keep it real.

Alaska

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Will Smith
Jonathan Vilma
Roman Harper ( trade bait)
Scott Shanle

just a few!!!!

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As of now, the Saints are $25 million over $121 million cap:

Player 2013 Salary
QB Drew Brees $17.40 million
DE Will Smith $14.50m
G Jahri Evans $9.86m
LB Jonathan Vilma $8.63m
WR Marques Colston $6.60m
G Ben Grubbs $7.30m
S Roman Harper $7.10m
LB Curtis Lofton $7.10m
CB Jabari Greer $5.42m
LB David Hawthorne $4.76m
DT Brodrick Bunkley $4.70m
WR Lance Moore $4.47m
CB Malcolm Jenkins $3.88m
RB Darren Sproles $3.75m

14 players, $105.47 million out of $121 million.

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS

DT SEDRICK ELLIS - 2012 salary cap number: $7.6 million

LB SCOTT SHANLE - 2012 salary cap number: $2.25 million

LB JONATHAN CASILLAS - 2012 salary cap number: $1.26 million

DE TURK MCBRIDE - 2012 salary cap number: $1 million

RESTRICTED FREE AGENT:

DE JUNIOR GALETTE - 2012 salary cap number: $500,000


MOST LIKELY TO BE RELEASED OR RESTRUCTURED:

DE WILL SMITH - Signed through: 2014
2012 salary cap number: $5.3 million
2013 cap number: $14.5 million
2013 salary plus bonuses: $10.2 million
If released: Saints would be charged $6.8 million in pro-rated signing bonuses over 2013 and 2014

LB JONATHAN VILMA - Signed through 2013
2012 salary cap number: $4.9 million
2013 cap number: $8.6 million
2013 salary plus bonuses: $6 million
If released: Saints would be charged $2.6 million in pro-rated signing bonuses in 2013

LB DAVID HAWTHORNE - Signed through: 2016
2012 salary cap number: $1.5 million
2013 cap number: $4.8 million
2013 salary plus bonuses: $4 million
If released: Saints would be charged $3 million in pro-rated signing bonuses over 2013 and 2014

So, even if you dump the players mentioned (Smith-3.4, Vilma-3.4, Harper(rs)-2.0 and Shanle-2.25), you're going to have to find $14 million, but consider that you have to replace those players, plus a few others, and we're looking at losing quite a few players from this current roster.

Face it, this team got top heavy. Look at perennial playoff teams like the Steelers, Patriots and Giants, and they don't have these problems. I realize that "keeping the band together" is a great sentiment, but value must = production. It may not be all Brees' fault, but he's showing that he's not Manning, or Brady, or (gasp) Rothlesburger.

We are going to be rebuilding for a least 3 years. Loomis is not a miracle worker.

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#4 in yards per game
#5 in completions
#1 in TD's (31)
#9 in yards per completion
#7 in QB rating (98.5)
#8 in total offense (team)

Yeah you're right -- all the dude does is just show up and throw his touchdown pass. Let's keep it real...he is throwing 2.8 TDs per game, not ONE. Clearly the top 5 QB in their top 10 offense is to blame for the Saints record this year. /FAIL

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DE Will Smith $14.50m
WAYYYYYY overpaid. This will be focus #1 next year.

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I don't agree with the "rebuilding" part, because the core of this team is solid as it is and that core is also sustainable.

So, it's more of a matter of "re-tooling" and finding players that suit the system, whether we are talking about the offense or the defense. Those players don't necessarily have to be highly paid FAs, just players who do their part and fit the system the Saints have already established.

I think the draft will be a very important determinant as to how next year's team is going to shape up, and they really need to hit on most of their picks, and hopefully they'll even get that 2nd round pick back.

Also, I think you forgot to mention that Bushrod will be an UFA, and I don't think they'll be bringing him back - at least with the current salary - so he'll probably be replaced by a cheaper player.

I would try and hang on to Hawthorne, because he is a really good LB, but he has had a difficult pre-season/season with the injuries which have reflected on to his contribution to the active roster. He was a really good catch last offseason, and he'll be an important contributor come next season if he can remain healthy - of which I have no doubt that he can.

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I really missed the part where Alaska, or anyone else for that matter, made that statement.

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In chronological order.

The fact we went 0-4 this season was pretty sad.

Then....

The fact we are still talking about making the playoffs this season is amazing in itself.

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A lot of you are going to be damn tired..... If you jump on the hate wagon when Brees is blamed for a loss then you most certainly would have to jump on the love wagon when he is the reason we win?

Flip-Floping fkers...

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Brees brings the team to an advantage every game. He can't operate under constant pressure which Frisco brought to the table. I can't imagine the game result with Chase calling the signals. Who Dat!

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Brees threads the needle with his passes more times than not. Sometimes he is going to be intercepted trying to. I don't fault him. If the pass was successful and we went down and scored before half, we all would have been on cloud 9. That's the game.

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In scholastic sports that is very true. When you are looking at a profit based business where the least valuable team is worth 800mm and the lowest revenue is 200mm/year... almost, good try, at least we had fun, does not cut it. ROI is expected now.

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OK. You're 100% right there. Alaska said he was was CONSISTENTLY only good for showing up and throwing his one TD pass per game (the streak). I don't see much inconsistency in those numbers -- they are on a par with anything else in Brees' past career, and he is consistently throwing more than one TD pass a game. Alaska wanted to "get real." So I did by looking at his numbers. My bad.

I guess I just disagree, and I think he is consistently good for a lot more than just those two things that Alaska mentioned. I'm not burning with jealousy for some other QB on one of the other 31 teams right now.

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Before you go off on a tangent let me stop you, Because there ain't no way in hell im giving up Brees for I probably can go straight away and say half the qbs in the league right now. It's no way you take down Saints passing records, NFL Records and assault teams with Alex Smith as your qb and and a so - so defense.

Here's what I do agree with you on.......
Jason Whitlock wrote a column before last year's playoff game. I wish I could find it. It seems like the 49ers read it and figured it out. The premise to the whole article was that once or twice a game be it because of his height, or pressure, or just focus loss Drew Brees will get inconsisent and give you an errant throw. So to the sucks it up thing.... It actually happens once or twice a game.

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Drew had a bad day. He has one every year. Not too big of a deal.

Did we need to win that game? Yes, we did. But I'm not going to focus on the loss as much as I am going to focus on the defense only allowing only 17 points.

That is something on the bright side.

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I don't get where anyone except for the guy in my quote said anything about giving up or trading Drew Brees. Although I want some people to admitt he ****ed up Sunday and don't try and blame it on defense.
All Im saying is everyone around here will bad mouth any other player with no problem, however when Brees messes up most folks try and make excuses.
So please people get of your moral high horse and stop putting words into peoples mouths. noone here is saying cut trade or bench Drew Brees.

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I agree. We're a top 10 offense who:

Can't score in the clutch
Scores 30% of its points and 40% of its yardage in garbage time
Can't make a 1st down on 25% of its series
Gets into the red zone only 33 of 124 drives

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That was the best D in the league. They did the same damn thing to Aaron Rodgers who for all intents and purposes is better than Brees and he had his full compliment offensive line and might I add in Lambeau. You are right. Brees stunk it up. You want a lollipop for dat. We complain about changing what we can change. Nobody here thinks Brees is faultless, but what's your alternative!!!! Defense played a hell of a lot better. But no way was it a f'n lights out performance. But they were gifted and interception on a busted play, never actually sacked Kapernick at all and couldn't get off the field for most of the third quarter. And for the person who ever it was who said the Saints D outperformed the Niners D...... are you smokin?

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5th highest scoring team in the league....
Oakland is the only team we beat by more than 2 TD.... No such thing as garbage points.
#2 in TDs means the offense scores TDs and we are not ranked 5th because of FG.
#1 Red zone scoring team

Obviously getting into the red zone is not needed, and we score from a distance better than nearly all. But when we get there no one is better.

We rank 13th in the league in 1st downs and 10th in the league in 3rd down conversions, also 10th in 4th down conversions, 12th in first downs per play...

So I ask, aren't your talking points fairly irrelevant? What we do is no where near as important as what we do in comparison to the rest of the league.

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I still don't see anything wrong with criticizing the guy when his performance warrants criticism... if the shoe fits.

He is one of the single biggest reasons the Saints have been as successful as they have been since 2006, and he is very important to the future success of the team going forward.

But, that doesn't mean that we should put him on a pedestal and not ever talk negatively about him. The bottom line is that he made some really costly mistakes in the game against the 49ers, and those costly mistakes probably ended up costing the Saints the win. That was the story this past Sunday, but it can as easily be the opposite after the Thursday night game against the Failclowns, and I'll be as ready to praise his performance then as I'm ready to criticize him now.

To not criticize him after that Sunday is ultimately homerism and that type of behavior is only suitable to the likes of Failclowns' fans.

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We are 5 wins, 6 losses and we lost to the Kansas City Chiefs.

We lost 2 games after holding leads in the 2nd half.

We were never in the other 4 games, being down by > 10 points by halftime or by 1st possession of second half.

We're 30th in time of possession averaging 27:17, down nearly 5 minutes from last season.

Even worse, we're a poorer team at home than on the road, statistically speaking.

We get to the red zone as often as the Jets. and WE lost to the CHIEFS. Even Oakland blew them out. Nuff Said.

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Exactly... The offensive line preformed impeccably and it is all on him. Its his fault we had a 4th string tackle not protecting him. Its Brees fault he was sacked 5 times.. out of 41 attempts

We have played 11 games, Drew has been sacked 21 times this season... 1/4 of those were Sunday. The 49ers have 28 sacks on the season... 5 of those were Sunday... That doesn't count for the hits Brees took on another passes and being hurried most of the night.

It is one thing to harass a QB and hit him all night, its another thing to hit him and rush him when you have his receivers pretty damned well covered.

There is cause and effect here.... Not just bad decision making out of stupidity.

" The Saints offensive line was hit hard with the injury big, and hit even harder by the 49ers defense. Sure, the 49ers defense can make any top offensive line look foolish, but the Saints line got beat for five sacks, and allowed San Fran to harass quarterback Drew Brees all game. Brees being hurried for most of the time due to some bad O-line blocking led to some ill-advised passes."


49ers vs. Saints: New Orleans Biggest Winners and Losers from Week 12 | Bleacher Report

Call me a homer all you like. You are just plain narrow of vision if you put it all on Drew. Had he taken another 5 sacks people would be screaming Drew wouldn't get rid of the ball..

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:bs:

Yep... Nuff said. Your are virtually blind to reality if you don't see teams putting 500+ yards up on our defense and you blame the QB or Offense for Time of Possession. Opponents Time of Possession is directly related to their offenses being able to stay on the field at will.

News flash.. We are not any where near last in any scoring or offensive category... We are however dead funk1n last in letting offenses move about the field as though they were passengers on a cruise ship.

We are 45 yards PER GAME away from the 31st worst defense in terms of yards allowed.

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Drew's the problem. No doubt. :bs: