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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I would have to say sproles has the most big-play potential of the group, but the problem is that we're missing big daddy payton. All the running backs are contributing in some way right now, we just need SP to ...

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Old 11-30-2012, 03:07 PM   #1
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Re: Pierre Thomas

I would have to say sproles has the most big-play potential of the group, but the problem is that we're missing big daddy payton. All the running backs are contributing in some way right now, we just need SP to work his magic.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:14 PM   #2
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I love to watch him run.
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Ivory and PT are good mix. Ingram, although playing better, is still the one I'd be willing to trade.
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I love me some Mark Ingram............unfortunately he doesn't fit into the system. I was hoping for more from him.
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I don't care. Just make one of the a featured back and there will be better results tha what we are geting right now.
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:50 PM   #6
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I beginning to think switching up RBs so much during the course of the game i s beginning to hurt more than help.

Sometimes you run PT, he has the hot hand, then you run INgram or Ivory who goes no where.

Think of the QB situation in NY with Tebow and Sanchez, Sanchez is leading you down the field, and then you decide to put Tebow in and he turns it over.

They need to see who has the hot hand, stick with it.
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I beginning to think switching up RBs so much during the course of the game i s beginning to hurt more than help.

Sometimes you run PT, he has the hot hand, then you run INgram or Ivory who goes no where.

Think of the QB situation in NY with Tebow and Sanchez, Sanchez is leading you down the field, and then you decide to put Tebow in and he turns it over.

They need to see who has the hot hand, stick with it.
Its not about who is hot so much... Having 4 RBs is a double edged sword. It gives you great depth and you have niche backs that can do what they do best... The flip side is that the defense knows what is coming at them just by nature of who is on the field.

It actually makes us more predictable than confusing since we run them in specific rolls.
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Would we get a decent LB or Draft pick for Ingram ....?
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Most of the time (not all) PT and Ivory get a touch or two and don't do anything they are not seen from again. Ingram however is allowed to touch all game.... No matter what he is doing.
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Most of the time (not all) PT and Ivory get a touch or two and don't do anything they are not seen from again. Ingram however is allowed to touch all game.... No matter what he is doing.
My theory is that is has something to do with Carmichael's interpretation of the data from the "scripted" plays (assuming they are still using them this year). Under Sean Payton, we all know the first dozen or so plays were "scripted" or planned out beforehand. In the early days of Payton, 2006-2008, if one of those first running plays did NOT break out for a big gain, he would abandon the run and go "pass happy." Then in the 2008 off season, Payton had the realization of how much patience he needed with the run, he had a "Eureka!" moment where he learned about the importance of balance, and Payton himself said remarks along the lines of that he needed to learn to adjust his playcalling to the "feel" of the game, stuff like that. Which basically means, don't abandon the run or put too much weight on those scripted plays.

Carmichael reminds me a lot of young, "immature" Sean Payton. He gets impatient, he's pass-happy, he occasionally does stuff that seems over-thought or just doesn't make sense. I wonder if some of that is because he is putting too much weight on what happens in the first 12 scripted plays, like the way it used to be a bit of a problem for Payton 2006-2008.
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