2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board

[FinSaint]

Originally Posted by Danno

And we have a lot of potential on defense that we just don't know enough about yet. It may not hurt to roll with what we have, draft a difference maker if one falls to us, and refocus next year on exactly what we have in Galette, Wilson, Jordan, Hicks, Bunkley, Hawthorne, Robinson etc. Then attack the 2014 draft with a better understanding of our weaknesses and address them accordingly.

Exactly, it'll be very difficult to know where the main needs on the defensive side lie at the moment before the staff (i.e. Ryan) has even had a chance to evaluate the players already on the roster wearing pads and lining up in his defensive base formation. So, I would agree with you on getting a defensive difference maker if one would happen to fall to the Saints. And someone like Jarvis Jones would certainly look even more intriguing if the Saints should find a trading partner to move down on the 1st round and Jones were to drop down on the draft day. But other than that, guys like Barrett Jones and Chris Faulk would be really nice additions to the offensive side.

They do probably need to pick up a rookie NT and a LB or a DE for depth and development, but those moves can be done in later rounds as well, since those guys wouldn't be expected to be day-1 starters.

[alleycat_126]

Originally Posted by Danno

And we have a lot of potential on defense that we just don't know enough about yet. It may not hurt to roll with what we have, draft a difference maker if one falls to us, and refocus next year on exactly what we have in Galette, Wilson, Jordan, Hicks, Bunkley, Hawthorne, Robinson etc. Then attack the 2014 draft with a better understanding of our weaknesses and address them accordingly.

Since when does it hurt to stock the cupboard!!!!

Yes we have some items in house that are good, but we have a chance to be good, if not great right out the blocks after this draft if it is played correctly.... We know what the weaknesses are.

We don't have enough draft picks so dropping down is essential.... I can't see them playing this draft straight up..

- We don't have a space eater...... NT but he can be had in the third or even later....
- we have 2 SS in the secondary
- We need one more tall man up corner ( Corey White will win the slot job )

[Danno]

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

Since when does it hurt to stock the cupboard!!!!

Yes we have some items in house that are good, but we have a chance to be good, if not great right out the blocks after this draft if it is played correctly.... We know what the weaknesses are.

We don't have enough draft picks so dropping down is essential.... I can't see them playing this draft straight up..

- We don't have a space eater...... NT but he can be had in the third or even later....
- we have 2 SS in the secondary
- We need one more tall man up corner ( Corey White will win the slot job )

Agreed...It never hurts to stock the cupboard. No one suggested otherwise.

With the switch to a 3-4, we DON'T know exactly what the weaknesses are. We played a 4-3 last year with a DC that insisted on playing square pegs in round holes.

Rob Ryans 3-4 doesn't require the prototypical "space eater" at NT. Thats been discussed ad nauseum. We do need depth however and that can be obtained with june 1st cuts or street free-agents.

We have only 1 true SS on the roster. Malcolm Jenkins would make a horrible SS. He may be the worst tackling safety we've had since Tebucky Jones. To consider him a SS is as ridiculous as considering Darren Sproles a power back.

CB's are typically 6-0 and under. Most of the greatest CB's of all time are around 5-10 or 5-11. Its a myth that you need tall CB's to compete today. Most 5-11 CB's have a freaking vertical nearly 1/2 foot higher than most of these tall WR/TE's playing today.

[alleycat_126]

Originally Posted by Danno

With the switch to a 3-4, we DON'T know exactly what the weaknesses are. We played a 4-3 last year with a DC that insisted on playing square pegs in round holes.

I disagree.... We know our weaknesses. 1 season under Spags didn't ruin this defense.... It was well on its way before that.... the zone scheme just helped.

Originally Posted by Danno

Rob Ryans 3-4 doesn't require the prototypical "space eater" at NT. Thats been discussed ad nauseum. We do need depth however and that can be obtained with june 1st cuts or street free-agents.

No it doesn't require a NT, but it helps..... if bunkley transitions well so be it, but if he doesn't I am in a better position to move him if I have someone good to great already ready on the roster.

Originally Posted by Danno

We have only 1 true SS on the roster. Malcolm Jenkins would make a horrible SS. He may be the worst tackling safety we've had since Tebucky Jones. To consider him a SS is as ridiculous as considering Darren Sproles a power back.

Again I disagree. And your man crush on Roman Harper dispite his many whiffs on tackles and ankle grabs versus wrapping and tackling won't change my mind to that we have to safeties in the secondary that are almost exactly alike. You rout for who you rout for, but you can't sit there and tell me that Harper performed any better than any member of the secondary. The occasional blitz sack does not make up for the number of times he can get beat during any contest. Harper and Jenkins are damn near the same type of player. Jenkins is a little bit better against the pass, as Harper is a little bit better against the run, both are more suited to be strong safeties than free safeties. So get yourslf a real deep ball FS and decide between the 2 who plays the strong.... IMO Jenkins isn't making as much as Harper is, so guess who's more opt to play that role.....

Originally Posted by Danno

CB's are typically 6-0 and under. Most of the greatest CB's of all time are around 5-10 or 5-11. Its a myth that you need tall CB's to compete today. Most 5-11 CB's have a freaking vertical nearly 1/2 foot higher than most of these tall WR/TE's playing today.

This time I am not disagreeing with you, because you are right, but let's go back to the beginning of the offseason..... What type of CB..... has your team targeted!!!!.... It seems like your team has jumped on the myth boat, why are you still sitting on the dock!!!!

- Derek Cox 6'0 man up corner
- Keenan Lewis 6'0 man up corner
- Tracy Porter ( needed to generate interest don't think saints were really interested)
-Nnamdi Asomugha 6'2 man up corner

Looks like Rob and Mikey like the Seattle version of the 3-4 a tad bit better than the others you know the one with Brandon Browner 6'4..... Richard Sherman..... 6'3

[saintfan]

[SaintsBro]

So, let me see if I have this straight...the team is targeting a series of exactly precisely 6'0" corners this off season, in order to foster arguments on message boards about corners "typically" being either 6'0" or less, or else being 6'0" and above....wow, I think I see it now -- Loomis and Payton are crazy like a fox -- by ONLY picking 6'0" corners, they are keeping everyone guessing, as to whether their strategy is going to be going after tall corners above 6'0", or short corners below 6'0"....and yet, HAHA, the Saints are targeting ONLY EXACTLY 6'0" corners, keeping EVERYONE guessing, so that the fans and also other teams don't know which philosophy they are using....wow, I think I really understand this argument now.

[alleycat_126]

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

So, let me see if I have this straight...the team is targeting a series of exactly precisely 6'0" corners this off season, in order to foster arguments on message boards about corners "typically" being either 6'0" or less, or else being 6'0" and above....wow, I think I see it now -- Loomis and Payton are crazy like a fox -- by ONLY picking 6'0" corners, they are keeping everyone guessing, as to whether their strategy is going to be going after tall corners above 6'0", or short corners below 6'0"....and yet, HAHA, the Saints are targeting ONLY EXACTLY 6'0" corners, keeping EVERYONE guessing, so that the fans and also other teams don't know which philosophy they are using....wow, I think I really understand this argument now.

You silly, LOL!!!!!

[jeanpierre]

If there's a 6' 2" prospect and a 5' 11" prospect and both are capable cornerbacks, I'm getting the size...

[FinSaint]

I do think Danno is on point with the things he stated pertaining to CBs, but I personally would always choose the taller CB if otherwise the CBs in question were about the same in other areas.

More than size, it comes down to body management and how CBs with smaller statures can maneuver themselves in relation to the receiver - when talking about the really tall WRs in the league. Height doesn't make CBs better by its virtue alone, but it can certainly help a lot when one has to go against a big physical receiver in a man coverage scheme.

[hagan714]

the wr are getting taller so the cb must do the same. in many ways the cb are just starting to catch up