2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board

[jeanpierre]

Flashback: 2010 NFL Draft

First Round, Pick # 32 New Orleans Saints select CB Patrick Robinson, Florida State...

the next pick...

Second Round, Pick #33 St. Louis Rams select OT Rodger Saffold, Indiana...

D'oh!

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ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi believes the Browns will trade one of OLB/DE Jabaal Sheard or DE/DT Ahtyba Rubin.

Sheard and Rubin aren't believed to be great fits for the new 3-4 scheme, and both players are young and skilled enough to bring back some value. Sheard, 24 next month, has 15.5 sacks in his two seasons. Rubin, 26, goes 6-foot-2 and 330 pounds, and he is strong versus the run with a bit of pass rush skill. The Browns are without a second-round pick, so that's likely the asking price.

Source: Tony Grossi on Twitter

If we were able to move a mid round pick for Rubin, I'd love the move. I'm not exactly sure how he's going to fit, but if we're going to take a down lineman in the mid rounds, Rubin would be much more enticing. I can remember wanting him in the '08 draft.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by papz

ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi believes the Browns will trade one of OLB/DE Jabaal Sheard or DE/DT Ahtyba Rubin.

Sheard and Rubin aren't believed to be great fits for the new 3-4 scheme, and both players are young and skilled enough to bring back some value. Sheard, 24 next month, has 15.5 sacks in his two seasons. Rubin, 26, goes 6-foot-2 and 330 pounds, and he is strong versus the run with a bit of pass rush skill. The Browns are without a second-round pick, so that's likely the asking price.

Source: Tony Grossi on Twitter

If we were able to move a mid round pick for Rubin, I'd love the move. I'm not exactly sure how he's going to fit, but if we're going to take a down lineman in the mid rounds, Rubin would be much more enticing. I can remember wanting him in the '08 draft.

The best execution of the 3-4 in the NFL was the Sidwell Saints Defense from '86 to '94...

The defensive line featured a rotation of:

93 Wayne Martin
69 Les Miller
73 Frank Warren
94 Jim Wilks

Other than once with Martin, they were not Probowlers, but the three man fronts would disrupt the oppositions blocking schemes and allow the four All-Pro Linebackers to wreak havoc, creating sacks, fumbles, interceptions and defensive touchdowns...

The Saints front just needs to use three defensive lineman to occupy five-six blockers to gain an advantage of linebackers attacking quarterbacks and running backs...

Right now, we do have a need for five technique tackle/ends...

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2013 Draft: New Orleans Saints spotlight - CBSSports

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NFL Network's Mike Mayock says he is "scared to death" of Georgia LB Alec Ogletree as a first-round pick due both to off- and on-field concerns.

Ogletree is a candidate to slide out of the first round because his character is a nightmare. "I’m scared to death about Ogletree, both for on- and off-the-field issues," Mayock said. "When you put the tape on, he has no clue what he’s doing. He looks like a safety that somebody plugged inside at inside linebacker. He just runs around." Mayock also called Ogletree's work ethic and passion for the game "question marks right now."

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by papz

NFL Network's Mike Mayock says he is "scared to death" of Georgia LB Alec Ogletree as a first-round pick due both to off- and on-field concerns.

Ogletree is a candidate to slide out of the first round because his character is a nightmare. "I’m scared to death about Ogletree, both for on- and off-the-field issues," Mayock said. "When you put the tape on, he has no clue what he’s doing. He looks like a safety that somebody plugged inside at inside linebacker. He just runs around." Mayock also called Ogletree's work ethic and passion for the game "question marks right now."

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

Valid Questions, now a little perspective...

Originally Posted by Damond Talbot, NFL DraftZone

Mike Mayock has been eating his own words about the draft

Draft News, Prospects, Rookies

December 19, 2012

by Damond Talbot

Draft guru Mike Mayock said rookie Nick Foles “looks like a completely different guy from what I saw in the Senior Bowl a year ago.” Mayock had a fifth-round grade on Foles thanks to concerns about arm strength and footwork. The Eagles took him in the third round and he’s proceeded to post a 77.7 passer rating while throwing five touchdowns against four interceptions in six games.

“I think you can easily talk yourself into [believing you have] a franchise quarterback,” Mayock said. “But if I’m them, I wouldn’t be jumping up and down, saying, ‘I’ve got my guy.’ I’d be saying, ‘We may have a good young building block here. But we still have to figure that out.’” The next coach of the Eagles will have the final word on how much competition is brought in for Foles this offseason.

Not only did you have to listen to Mayock say he was wrong here, but if you watched the Thursday Night Game between the Bengals and the Eagles, you had to listen to Mike Mayock continuously praise Vontaze Burfict, who he darn near killed at the Draft with words. Mayock said he would not be in this league, and he was not a good prospect. Mayock had to erase those poor words from last draft, by talking up the young Arizona State product on the Thursday Night Game. You would have thought that Mayock was an advocate for Burfict, but that was not the case. That was a case of being “Wrong”. Some of these draftniks are great, but Mayock is still one of the best in the industry, even though he has been wrong as of late.

PS: Guess how many personal fouls Vontaze Burfict has in the NFL through week 16? NONE, YEP THAT’S RIGHT, A CHANGED MAN? OR A CRITICIZED MAN?

Source: Mike Mayock has been eating his own words about the draft » NFL Draft Zone

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Valid Questions, now a little perspective...

I'm just passing one what he's saying. I was for the most part, a Burfict fan. If you don't believe me, you could certainly search the forums. I really don't care for Mayock to tell you the truth. But with that said, it's exactly was I've said from the start with Ogletree. He's an OLB, not a ILB. We're looking for a pass rusher out there and he does not fit the bill... especially in our 3-4.

I like Ogletree... just not what he'll bring to our team. He's not that pass rusher I want outside. That's not saying he won't be a good pro... I think he will be. Just not for us.

I disagreed big time with Mayock rating McCoy over Suh the other draft. But if you look back, well, I'd have to agree with him. The man compared to a lot of other draft nicks, is pretty solid. Also while I don't want to knock Damond, you've got to consider the source. Just saying.

[lee909]

All I have heard out if Mayock for months is that nobody seems worthy of a top 20 pick.Somebody needs picked early and he just seems scared to put his cards on the table this year.

[jeanpierre]

Ogletree has speed to burn; and as a rookie he could come in with limited assignments as an OLB and be told go get the quarterback or cover this guy in the flat and he will be able to do it; he can learn the position and develop and have an impact immediately as a first rounder should...

...pick 15 is tricky because you will get a look at a Top 10 pick because the perennial bottom feeders usually overreach and some amazing talent comes through - the behavior of Ogletree concerns me, but it's that wildness that I think channeled correctly that this defense needs to spark it...

[Seer1]

I think back to one of those sayings that carries me through many hard times, "Blessed be ye who expect nothing for ye will seldom be disappointed." That's what I've been applying to our first rounders for years. In that light, the draft pick that worries me most is the one we waste on the Smokin' Badger. I called that one months ago. Mathieu could be the top talent in the draft, but who cares? He'll spend his NFL days on suspension. RG won't give him the 10+ chances Les did.

If it makes you guys feel any better, I find both those talking heads less than useless.