Why shouldn't Goodell get fined??

TheOak · 12-12-2012, 10:35 AM

Goodell is employed by the owners, no player faith is needed.

People thought I was nuts in regards to my conspiracy theory. Goodell will not be punished because he was preforming the OWNERS deeds.

44Champs · 12-12-2012, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Goodell is employed by the owners, no player faith is needed.

People thought I was nuts in regards to my conspiracy theory. Goodell will not be punished because he was preforming the OWNERS deeds.

This is true because the owners are also worried about future lawsuits taking money out of their pockets. The real, long-term problem is not about lawsuits, though. It's about the integrity of the game, and a huge factor in determining this is how the commissioner handles conflict. Goodell has already shown that he has a tendency to over-react. I understand that we need to do what we can to prevent concussions and other unnecessary injuries (i.e. chop blocks), but to fine someone for "tackling too hard" is like punishing a NASCAR driver for driving too fast.
On top of that, it seems like his desire is to leave legacy that changes the way the game is played - example: cutting out kickoffs.
All I can say is this guy needs to GO!

saintfan · 12-12-2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Goodell is employed by the owners, no player faith is needed.

People thought I was nuts in regards to my conspiracy theory. Goodell will not be punished because he was preforming the OWNERS deeds.

You don't think the players' lack of faith in the leader of the league is needed?

I disagree.

TheOak · 12-12-2012, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

You don't think the players' lack of faith in the leader of the league is needed?

I disagree.

Nope, its not needed. Goodell is not the players leader. He is the administrator of the league. The players need faith in their coaches, and that is where it stops. Goodell is so far removed from their local chain of command and leadership he is not even thought of. He is perceived as a corporate CEO and those guys are well... just suits in New York.

Example: I was in the Army and Desert Storm/Shield, I needed to have faith in my leadership (Section Chief/Platoon Sergeant/First Sergeant). I didnt need to have faith in George Bush (President), Dick Cheney (Secretary of Defense), etc... Division Sergeant Major and Commander were about as high as I cared about, but the leadership that was needed was in my general AO every day.

How many employees or corporations give two craps about their CEO or look to him for leadership or inspiration? Virtually none in a company the size of the NFL.

saintfan · 12-12-2012, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Nope, its not needed. Goodell is not the players leader. He is the administrator of the league. The players need faith in their coaches, and that is where it stops. Goodell is so far removed from their local chain of command and leadership he is not even thought of. He is perceived as a corporate CEO and those guys are well... just suits in New York.

Example: I was in the Army and Desert Storm/Shield, I needed to have faith in my leadership (Section Chief/Platoon Sergeant/First Sergeant). I didnt need to have faith in George Bush (President), Dick Cheney (Secretary of Defense), etc... Division Sergeant Major and Commander were about as high as I cared about, but the leadership that was needed was in my general AO every day.

How many employees or corporations give two craps about their CEO or look to him for leadership or inspiration? Virtually none in a company the size of the NFL.

I didn't say he was the player's leader - I said he is the leader of the league. The fact that the key element in the league's success - the players - have no faith in the man is not merely academic IMO.

I can tell you during my time with Google - a lack of faith in Larry and Sergey and Eric would have been a very BIG deal.

We agree to disagree.

TheOak · 12-12-2012, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I didn't say he was the player's leader - I said he is the leader of the league. The fact that the key element in the league's success - the players - have no faith in the man is not merely academic IMO.

I can tell you during my time with Google - a lack of faith in Larry and Sergey and Eric would have been a very BIG deal.

We agree to disagree.

Different environment. Players are separated from Corporate by a few levels, and a few thousand miles in the NFL.

Players are not office people, faith in a CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder. Players are at the bottom of the ladder, like soldiers in the military.

In terms of affecting their performance on the field, you are going to have to explain that to me. Players in the NFL play to win on the field whether Goodell is the Comhish or Jesus Christ him self is the Commish...

The League and the Commissioner are viewed as the enemy to players. They get their leadership from the team and the Players Union.

Maybe this example will help: Just like with auto workers... Ford/GM etc... CEOs are the enemy. They don't need faith in them, they have a union because they HAVE NO FAITH.

saintfan · 12-12-2012, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Different environment. Players are separated from Corporate by a few levels, and a few thousand miles in the NFL.

Players are not office people, faith in a CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder. Players are at the bottom of the ladder, like soldiers in the military.

In terms of affecting their performance on the field, you are going to have to explain that to me. Players in the NFL play to win on the field whether Goodell is the Comhish or Jesus Christ him self is the Commish...

The League and the Commissioner are viewed as the enemy to players. They get their leadership from the team and the Players Union.

Maybe this example will help: Just like with auto workers... Ford/GM etc... CEOs are the enemy. They don't need faith in them, they have a union because they HAVE NO FAITH.

Faith in the CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder? I disagree. Completely in fact. No, the robots don't care, but many do.

I don't think I made any reference to their performance on the field. At the very least the players having a commish they respect is good for the league.

You are right about the league being viewed as the enemy - and now more than ever before - which is pretty much my point. The more Roger pushes his unfair agenda the more you are going to see players pushing back.

If you disagree that what's best for the league is a good relationship between the players and the league then we disagree.

TheOak · 12-12-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Faith in the CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder? I disagree. Completely in fact. No, the robots don't care, but many do.

I don't think I made any reference to their performance on the field. At the very least the players having a commish they respect is good for the league.

You are right about the league being viewed as the enemy - and now more than ever before - which is pretty much my point. The more Roger pushes his unfair agenda the more you are going to see players pushing back.

If you disagree that what's best for the league is a good relationship between the players and the league then we disagree.

Good relationships amongst all is always a good thing. However the players having faith in the Commissioner is not a requirement and they do not look to him for leadership any more than a College athlete looks to the Chairman of the NCAA for leadership. The dependance on Leadership for athletes and faith in the leadership truncated.

I am not sure you are taking into account that the frame of mind regular employees is vastly different from football players who only care about getting PAID. These are people who are willing to risk health and life each week to get paid.... not many employees are willing to do that.

12-12-2012, 10:35 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Goodell is employed by the owners, no player faith is needed. People thought I was nuts in regards to my conspiracy theory. Goodell will not be punished because he was preforming the OWNERS deeds.

12-12-2012, 10:51 AM	#2
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Originally Posted by TheOak Goodell is employed by the owners, no player faith is needed. People thought I was nuts in regards to my conspiracy theory. Goodell will not be punished because he was preforming the OWNERS deeds. This is true because the owners are also worried about future lawsuits taking money out of their pockets. The real, long-term problem is not about lawsuits, though. It's about the integrity of the game, and a huge factor in determining this is how the commissioner handles conflict. Goodell has already shown that he has a tendency to over-react. I understand that we need to do what we can to prevent concussions and other unnecessary injuries (i.e. chop blocks), but to fine someone for "tackling too hard" is like punishing a NASCAR driver for driving too fast. On top of that, it seems like his desire is to leave legacy that changes the way the game is played - example: cutting out kickoffs. All I can say is this guy needs to GO!
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589

12-12-2012, 11:55 AM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Originally Posted by TheOak Goodell is employed by the owners, no player faith is needed. People thought I was nuts in regards to my conspiracy theory. Goodell will not be punished because he was preforming the OWNERS deeds. You don't think the players' lack of faith in the leader of the league is needed? I disagree.

12-12-2012, 12:59 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Originally Posted by saintfan You don't think the players' lack of faith in the leader of the league is needed? I disagree. Nope, its not needed. Goodell is not the players leader. He is the administrator of the league. The players need faith in their coaches, and that is where it stops. Goodell is so far removed from their local chain of command and leadership he is not even thought of. He is perceived as a corporate CEO and those guys are well... just suits in New York. Example: I was in the Army and Desert Storm/Shield, I needed to have faith in my leadership (Section Chief/Platoon Sergeant/First Sergeant). I didnt need to have faith in George Bush (President), Dick Cheney (Secretary of Defense), etc... Division Sergeant Major and Commander were about as high as I cared about, but the leadership that was needed was in my general AO every day. How many employees or corporations give two craps about their CEO or look to him for leadership or inspiration? Virtually none in a company the size of the NFL.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-12-2012, 01:52 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Originally Posted by TheOak Nope, its not needed. Goodell is not the players leader. He is the administrator of the league. The players need faith in their coaches, and that is where it stops. Goodell is so far removed from their local chain of command and leadership he is not even thought of. He is perceived as a corporate CEO and those guys are well... just suits in New York. Example: I was in the Army and Desert Storm/Shield, I needed to have faith in my leadership (Section Chief/Platoon Sergeant/First Sergeant). I didnt need to have faith in George Bush (President), Dick Cheney (Secretary of Defense), etc... Division Sergeant Major and Commander were about as high as I cared about, but the leadership that was needed was in my general AO every day. How many employees or corporations give two craps about their CEO or look to him for leadership or inspiration? Virtually none in a company the size of the NFL. I didn't say he was the player's leader - I said he is the leader of the league. The fact that the key element in the league's success - the players - have no faith in the man is not merely academic IMO. I can tell you during my time with Google - a lack of faith in Larry and Sergey and Eric would have been a very BIG deal. We agree to disagree. Halo and pherein like this.

12-12-2012, 02:43 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Originally Posted by saintfan I didn't say he was the player's leader - I said he is the leader of the league. The fact that the key element in the league's success - the players - have no faith in the man is not merely academic IMO. I can tell you during my time with Google - a lack of faith in Larry and Sergey and Eric would have been a very BIG deal. We agree to disagree. Different environment. Players are separated from Corporate by a few levels, and a few thousand miles in the NFL. Players are not office people, faith in a CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder. Players are at the bottom of the ladder, like soldiers in the military. In terms of affecting their performance on the field, you are going to have to explain that to me. Players in the NFL play to win on the field whether Goodell is the Comhish or Jesus Christ him self is the Commish... The League and the Commissioner are viewed as the enemy to players. They get their leadership from the team and the Players Union. Maybe this example will help: Just like with auto workers... Ford/GM etc... CEOs are the enemy. They don't need faith in them, they have a union because they HAVE NO FAITH.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-12-2012, 02:56 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Originally Posted by TheOak Different environment. Players are separated from Corporate by a few levels, and a few thousand miles in the NFL. Players are not office people, faith in a CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder. Players are at the bottom of the ladder, like soldiers in the military. In terms of affecting their performance on the field, you are going to have to explain that to me. Players in the NFL play to win on the field whether Goodell is the Comhish or Jesus Christ him self is the Commish... The League and the Commissioner are viewed as the enemy to players. They get their leadership from the team and the Players Union. Maybe this example will help: Just like with auto workers... Ford/GM etc... CEOs are the enemy. They don't need faith in them, they have a union because they HAVE NO FAITH. Faith in the CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder? I disagree. Completely in fact. No, the robots don't care, but many do. I don't think I made any reference to their performance on the field. At the very least the players having a commish they respect is good for the league. You are right about the league being viewed as the enemy - and now more than ever before - which is pretty much my point. The more Roger pushes his unfair agenda the more you are going to see players pushing back. If you disagree that what's best for the league is a good relationship between the players and the league then we disagree.
	C'mon Man...

12-12-2012, 03:22 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Originally Posted by saintfan Faith in the CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder? I disagree. Completely in fact. No, the robots don't care, but many do. I don't think I made any reference to their performance on the field. At the very least the players having a commish they respect is good for the league. You are right about the league being viewed as the enemy - and now more than ever before - which is pretty much my point. The more Roger pushes his unfair agenda the more you are going to see players pushing back. If you disagree that what's best for the league is a good relationship between the players and the league then we disagree. Good relationships amongst all is always a good thing. However the players having faith in the Commissioner is not a requirement and they do not look to him for leadership any more than a College athlete looks to the Chairman of the NCAA for leadership. The dependance on Leadership for athletes and faith in the leadership truncated. I am not sure you are taking into account that the frame of mind regular employees is vastly different from football players who only care about getting PAID. These are people who are willing to risk health and life each week to get paid.... not many employees are willing to do that.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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