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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by TheOak Different environment. Players are separated from Corporate by a few levels, and a few thousand miles in the NFL. Players are not office people, faith in a CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ...

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Old 12-12-2012, 02:56 PM   #1
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Different environment. Players are separated from Corporate by a few levels, and a few thousand miles in the NFL.

Players are not office people, faith in a CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder. Players are at the bottom of the ladder, like soldiers in the military.

In terms of affecting their performance on the field, you are going to have to explain that to me. Players in the NFL play to win on the field whether Goodell is the Comhish or Jesus Christ him self is the Commish...

The League and the Commissioner are viewed as the enemy to players. They get their leadership from the team and the Players Union.

Maybe this example will help: Just like with auto workers... Ford/GM etc... CEOs are the enemy. They don't need faith in them, they have a union because they HAVE NO FAITH.
Faith in the CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder? I disagree. Completely in fact. No, the robots don't care, but many do.

I don't think I made any reference to their performance on the field. At the very least the players having a commish they respect is good for the league.

You are right about the league being viewed as the enemy - and now more than ever before - which is pretty much my point. The more Roger pushes his unfair agenda the more you are going to see players pushing back.

If you disagree that what's best for the league is a good relationship between the players and the league then we disagree.

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Faith in the CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder? I disagree. Completely in fact. No, the robots don't care, but many do.

I don't think I made any reference to their performance on the field. At the very least the players having a commish they respect is good for the league.

You are right about the league being viewed as the enemy - and now more than ever before - which is pretty much my point. The more Roger pushes his unfair agenda the more you are going to see players pushing back.

If you disagree that what's best for the league is a good relationship between the players and the league then we disagree.
Good relationships amongst all is always a good thing. However the players having faith in the Commissioner is not a requirement and they do not look to him for leadership any more than a College athlete looks to the Chairman of the NCAA for leadership. The dependance on Leadership for athletes and faith in the leadership truncated.

I am not sure you are taking into account that the frame of mind regular employees is vastly different from football players who only care about getting PAID. These are people who are willing to risk health and life each week to get paid.... not many employees are willing to do that.

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Old 12-12-2012, 03:41 PM   #3
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Good relationships amongst all is always a good thing. However the players having faith in the Commissioner is not a requirement and they do not look to him for leadership any more than a College athlete looks to the Chairman of the NCAA for leadership. The dependance on Leadership for athletes and faith in the leadership truncated.

I am not sure you are taking into account that the frame of mind regular employees is vastly different from football players who only care about getting PAID. These are people who are willing to risk health and life each week to get paid.... not many employees are willing to do that.
I didn't say blind faith in the Commish is a requirement and I didn't say any player looks to Roger for leadership. I said Roger can no longer run the league in good faith in the eyes of the players - which is to mean they were always suspicious of him. Now they have evidence of it. That's not good.

I don't have to take into account someone who's digging a ditch or a college athlete. It isn't relevant to the point I'm making. Tell the players their lack of faith in their dishonest commish doesn't matter. It matters enough that they fought for reduced power from that office.

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Old 12-13-2012, 06:50 AM   #4
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I didn't say blind faith in the Commish is a requirement and I didn't say any player looks to Roger for leadership. I said Roger can no longer run the league in good faith in the eyes of the players - which is to mean they were always suspicious of him. Now they have evidence of it. That's not good.

I don't have to take into account someone who's digging a ditch or a college athlete. It isn't relevant to the point I'm making. Tell the players their lack of faith in their dishonest commish doesn't matter. It matters enough that they fought for reduced power from that office.
I get it.. your an idealist. The realist in me says if the players had any modicum of faith that the League was looking out for their best interest there would be no need for a Players Union.

Your original response is ...faith from the players in the leader of the league is needed.

I still contend that 1. It is not needed. 2. Goodell is not perceived as the players leader.
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I get it.. your an idealist. The realist in me says if the players had any modicum of faith that the League was looking out for their best interest there would be no need for a Players Union.

Your original response is ...faith from the players in the leader of the league is needed.

I still contend that 1. It is not needed. 2. Goodell is not perceived as the players leader.
And we agree to disagree, for the reasons I've stated and those of others. One thing is for sure and for certain. Roger will think long and hard before he pulls this crap again, because he knows the players will take his ass to court. That's not good for the league. You may call me an idealist, but in fact I'm a realist. If the relationship between the players and the league was bad, it is now worse, and Roger would have to extend himself a great deal to overcome it - something we know he will not do. The next time the rubber meets the road, is a player or coach or owner going to accept the judgement from the league office blindly or will we see legal proceedings again?

In fact I'm not drawing correlations. I believe it is me who is the realist. Time will tell.

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