Goodell's Accountability

TheOak · 12-13-2012, 07:37 AM

Lots of talk about what Goodell's punishment....

I think before you can think about what should happen to him for mishandling Bounty gate, a few things must be determined.

1. Who decides his punishment.
2. Did he mishandle anything in the eyes of the punishing body?
3. In order to answer number 2 you must understand what the end intent of this was.

I know the answers to both questions and here is my take.

1. The owners are the only body to punish Goodell.
2. I don't believe he did anything wrong in their eyes.
3. I do not in good faith believe Bounty Gate had anything to do with player safety, it was an exercise at any cost to give the NFL a "Perceived" action regarding player safety.

CEO's are dealt the hammer and removed from position when the board of directors discover wrong doing or mismanagement. The BoD (Owners), watch this happen every day in front of their very own eyes and did nothing to steer or stop it. That tells me Goodell has their buy in for everything.

SmashMouth · 12-13-2012, 08:00 AM

Te jury is still out on this.... Likely until the off season.

Jamessr · 12-13-2012, 08:00 AM

If Goodell has anything happen to him it will be by the owners and behind closed doors IMO.
At this point he's off the hook and we've lost out on the "what could of been season"

SaintsBro · 12-13-2012, 08:16 AM

My own take on it is that if anything public happens it will be a "we've decided we're going in a different direction" type thing, from the owners, behind closed doors; he'll step down, golden parachute, maybe get a job consulting for the league or working in charity. I believe there are owners who are not happy with Goodell, behind the scenes, but you don't voice that type of criticism publicly, you wait until the moment when you have the maximum leverage and opportunity. THEN something will happen.

burningmetal · 12-13-2012, 08:51 AM

You're right about the owners being the only one's who can punish him, and I agree that the main question is whether they feel he did anything wrong. But here's my opinion on their perception of this:

Even if the owners are the one's who had Goodell embark on this witch hunt, the fact is that he has embarrassed himself and the league in the process. Whatever he was trying to accomplish, he failed. I have seen a lot of people posting on here that he in fact DID achieve his goal because of our lost season. But I don't believe that was his goal, even though he undoubtedly hoped it would be a side effect. I think his goal was simply to make somebody look bad, so he could grand stand in their face and make the NFL look like a superior moral institution.

Though opinions are vastly mixed throughout the league, and it's fans, I doubt seriously any rational percentage of people have come away from this believing morality had anything to do with it. They've shown themselves to be disturbingly inconsistent and dishonest, to say the very least. Therefore, his campaign failed.

TheOak · 12-13-2012, 09:29 AM

A different perspective:

The NFL was founded by businessmen to make money.

Not by fans of the game who wanted to see football flourish first and foremost. If the model for the NFL would have not been profitable there would be no NFL.

Roger acted the way he did (i'm presuming under a directive) to have something to fight against the one thing that stands to suck all of the profit out of the NFL.. Concussion law suits.

Here is the wash... It was at any cost, except financial. Black eye... damaged name... none of that effects profitability in the end. No matter how mad fans get at Goodell, they will still support their team, buy tickets, buy jerseys, etc. This was a minimal financial risk for the reward of having something to show a judge and jury that the NFL is doing everything it can to make the game safer.

We the fans have been suckerpunched... We took the bait.... We hate Goodell but not football or our teams... Goodell was the sacrificial lamb and he is taking all of the anger.. AS DESIGNED.

SmashMouth · 12-13-2012, 09:40 AM

Brees turns up heat on Goodell

Drew Brees isn't ready to let it go, and on Wednesday he upped the ante from his Tuesday Twitter criticism. [Brees] took dead aim at the NFL front office and Commissioner Roger Goodell as he leveled harsh criticism for how the case was mishandled from start to finish, saying there was much more interest in achieving an outcome than making certain the process was fair and correct. ... "What I would like to see is the level of accountability on the part of the NFL and Commissioner Goodell in regards to the mishandling of this entire situation," Brees said. "We as players hold ourselves to very strict code of conduct on and off the field. We have to be accountable to that as it should be. I feel they should be held to the same standards."

Brees turns up heat on Goodell

saintfan · 12-13-2012, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Brees turns up heat on Goodell

Drew Brees isn't ready to let it go, and on Wednesday he upped the ante from his Tuesday Twitter criticism. [Brees] took dead aim at the NFL front office and Commissioner Roger Goodell as he leveled harsh criticism for how the case was mishandled from start to finish, saying there was much more interest in achieving an outcome than making certain the process was fair and correct. ... "What I would like to see is the level of accountability on the part of the NFL and Commissioner Goodell in regards to the mishandling of this entire situation," Brees said. "We as players hold ourselves to very strict code of conduct on and off the field. We have to be accountable to that as it should be. I feel they should be held to the same standards."

Brees turns up heat on Goodell

Roger wants to act like the player's daddy. The first thing a parent does is set a good example.

Roger=Fail

burningmetal · 12-13-2012, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

A different perspective:

The NFL was founded by businessmen to make money.

Not by fans of the game who wanted to see football flourish first and foremost. If the model for the NFL would have not been profitable there would be no NFL.

Roger acted the way he did (i'm presuming under a directive) to have something to fight against the one thing that stands to suck all of the profit out of the NFL.. Concussion law suits.

Here is the wash... It was at any cost, except financial. Black eye... damaged name... none of that effects profitability in the end. No matter how mad fans get at Goodell, they will still support their team, buy tickets, buy jerseys, etc. This was a minimal financial risk for the reward of having something to show a judge and jury that the NFL is doing everything it can to make the game safer.

We the fans have been suckerpunched... We took the bait.... We hate Goodell but not football or our teams... Goodell was the sacrificial lamb and he is taking all of the anger.. AS DESIGNED.

I'm not sure if this was a reply to my post above, but if it is, there is one central point I was making, and it tells why I disagree with you here. I understood that in your original post you were implying that the owners wanted Roger to save them money. But I'm saying he failed to do so.

What you are saying, is that because fans will still go to, and watch games, that no harm has been done. I agree that fans will still be there, but that is not remotely what I was referring to. I'm talking specifically about the retirees lawsuit. We all know, regardless if anyone put him up to it, that Roger's witch hunt had everything to do with grand standing toward that lawsuit.

But he has effectively humiliated himself and the league, with how everything turned out, and so no image of morality or caring about player safety has truly been established. They are no better, and probably considerably worse off then they were before in their case against the retired players now. Mission failed. That is my point.

TheOak · 12-13-2012, 11:16 AM

I was replying to that...

In the courtroom when the concussion cases are being heard... No one will ever see evidence to anything but the NFL putting an end to systemic bounty programs...

Humiliation, public opinion, image, will play no part... Those are subjective terms and cant be used with out objections. For every subjective negative opinion someone else can give a subjective positive opinion. Damage to public opinion is not quantifiable.

The league will present evidence of ending systemic bounty programs.... which is what they set out to do.

12-13-2012, 07:37 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Goodell's Accountability Lots of talk about what Goodell's punishment.... I think before you can think about what should happen to him for mishandling Bounty gate, a few things must be determined. 1. Who decides his punishment. 2. Did he mishandle anything in the eyes of the punishing body? 3. In order to answer number 2 you must understand what the end intent of this was. I know the answers to both questions and here is my take. 1. The owners are the only body to punish Goodell. 2. I don't believe he did anything wrong in their eyes. 3. I do not in good faith believe Bounty Gate had anything to do with player safety, it was an exercise at any cost to give the NFL a "Perceived" action regarding player safety. CEO's are dealt the hammer and removed from position when the board of directors discover wrong doing or mismanagement. The BoD (Owners), watch this happen every day in front of their very own eyes and did nothing to steer or stop it. That tells me Goodell has their buy in for everything. SloMotion likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-13-2012, 08:00 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,127 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Goodell's Accountability Te jury is still out on this.... Likely until the off season.

12-13-2012, 08:00 AM	#3
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Goodell's Accountability If Goodell has anything happen to him it will be by the owners and behind closed doors IMO. At this point he's off the hook and we've lost out on the "what could of been season"

12-13-2012, 08:16 AM	#4
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Goodell's Accountability My own take on it is that if anything public happens it will be a "we've decided we're going in a different direction" type thing, from the owners, behind closed doors; he'll step down, golden parachute, maybe get a job consulting for the league or working in charity. I believe there are owners who are not happy with Goodell, behind the scenes, but you don't voice that type of criticism publicly, you wait until the moment when you have the maximum leverage and opportunity. THEN something will happen. Boutte and SloMotion like this.

12-13-2012, 08:51 AM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Goodell's Accountability You're right about the owners being the only one's who can punish him, and I agree that the main question is whether they feel he did anything wrong. But here's my opinion on their perception of this: Even if the owners are the one's who had Goodell embark on this witch hunt, the fact is that he has embarrassed himself and the league in the process. Whatever he was trying to accomplish, he failed. I have seen a lot of people posting on here that he in fact DID achieve his goal because of our lost season. But I don't believe that was his goal, even though he undoubtedly hoped it would be a side effect. I think his goal was simply to make somebody look bad, so he could grand stand in their face and make the NFL look like a superior moral institution. Though opinions are vastly mixed throughout the league, and it's fans, I doubt seriously any rational percentage of people have come away from this believing morality had anything to do with it. They've shown themselves to be disturbingly inconsistent and dishonest, to say the very least. Therefore, his campaign failed. SloMotion likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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12-13-2012, 09:29 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Goodell's Accountability A different perspective: The NFL was founded by businessmen to make money. Not by fans of the game who wanted to see football flourish first and foremost. If the model for the NFL would have not been profitable there would be no NFL. Roger acted the way he did (i'm presuming under a directive) to have something to fight against the one thing that stands to suck all of the profit out of the NFL.. Concussion law suits. Here is the wash... It was at any cost, except financial. Black eye... damaged name... none of that effects profitability in the end. No matter how mad fans get at Goodell, they will still support their team, buy tickets, buy jerseys, etc. This was a minimal financial risk for the reward of having something to show a judge and jury that the NFL is doing everything it can to make the game safer. We the fans have been suckerpunched... We took the bait.... We hate Goodell but not football or our teams... Goodell was the sacrificial lamb and he is taking all of the anger.. AS DESIGNED. SloMotion likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-13-2012, 09:40 AM	#7
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,127 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Goodell's Accountability Brees turns up heat on Goodell Drew Brees isn't ready to let it go, and on Wednesday he upped the ante from his Tuesday Twitter criticism. [Brees] took dead aim at the NFL front office and Commissioner Roger Goodell as he leveled harsh criticism for how the case was mishandled from start to finish, saying there was much more interest in achieving an outcome than making certain the process was fair and correct. ... "What I would like to see is the level of accountability on the part of the NFL and Commissioner Goodell in regards to the mishandling of this entire situation," Brees said. "We as players hold ourselves to very strict code of conduct on and off the field. We have to be accountable to that as it should be. I feel they should be held to the same standards." Brees turns up heat on Goodell

12-13-2012, 09:45 AM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Goodell's Accountability Originally Posted by SmashMouth Brees turns up heat on Goodell Drew Brees isn't ready to let it go, and on Wednesday he upped the ante from his Tuesday Twitter criticism. [Brees] took dead aim at the NFL front office and Commissioner Roger Goodell as he leveled harsh criticism for how the case was mishandled from start to finish, saying there was much more interest in achieving an outcome than making certain the process was fair and correct. ... "What I would like to see is the level of accountability on the part of the NFL and Commissioner Goodell in regards to the mishandling of this entire situation," Brees said. "We as players hold ourselves to very strict code of conduct on and off the field. We have to be accountable to that as it should be. I feel they should be held to the same standards." Brees turns up heat on Goodell Roger wants to act like the player's daddy. The first thing a parent does is set a good example. Roger=Fail SaintsBro and Jamessr like this.

12-13-2012, 09:46 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Goodell's Accountability Originally Posted by TheOak A different perspective: The NFL was founded by businessmen to make money. Not by fans of the game who wanted to see football flourish first and foremost. If the model for the NFL would have not been profitable there would be no NFL. Roger acted the way he did (i'm presuming under a directive) to have something to fight against the one thing that stands to suck all of the profit out of the NFL.. Concussion law suits. Here is the wash... It was at any cost, except financial. Black eye... damaged name... none of that effects profitability in the end. No matter how mad fans get at Goodell, they will still support their team, buy tickets, buy jerseys, etc. This was a minimal financial risk for the reward of having something to show a judge and jury that the NFL is doing everything it can to make the game safer. We the fans have been suckerpunched... We took the bait.... We hate Goodell but not football or our teams... Goodell was the sacrificial lamb and he is taking all of the anger.. AS DESIGNED. I'm not sure if this was a reply to my post above, but if it is, there is one central point I was making, and it tells why I disagree with you here. I understood that in your original post you were implying that the owners wanted Roger to save them money. But I'm saying he failed to do so. What you are saying, is that because fans will still go to, and watch games, that no harm has been done. I agree that fans will still be there, but that is not remotely what I was referring to. I'm talking specifically about the retirees lawsuit. We all know, regardless if anyone put him up to it, that Roger's witch hunt had everything to do with grand standing toward that lawsuit. But he has effectively humiliated himself and the league, with how everything turned out, and so no image of morality or caring about player safety has truly been established. They are no better, and probably considerably worse off then they were before in their case against the retired players now. Mission failed. That is my point. SloMotion likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

12-13-2012, 11:16 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Goodell's Accountability I was replying to that... In the courtroom when the concussion cases are being heard... No one will ever see evidence to anything but the NFL putting an end to systemic bounty programs... Humiliation, public opinion, image, will play no part... Those are subjective terms and cant be used with out objections. For every subjective negative opinion someone else can give a subjective positive opinion. Damage to public opinion is not quantifiable. The league will present evidence of ending systemic bounty programs.... which is what they set out to do.

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