Goodell's Accountability

Vrillon82 · 12-17-2012, 01:01 AM

I think the fans of New Orleans is his executioner.

I said this for months, he steps foot in New Orleans, hes a dead mean, someone will shoot him.

TheOak · 12-17-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by pherein

His cardinal sin is hes hurting the product Oak, and their by reducing the office of Commisioner, or CEO if you want to call it as it is, to look like a lauphing stock. No CEO can do that and suvive.
The BOD will axe you.
Truthfully I would not be suprised if the BOD of the NFL are not seeking legal counsel to let him go for breach of contract. Just in case this gets worse.
Its a solid move on their part.
After all you have to think. Someone told Goodell to step down with the bounty case. He never did that on his own. That was decided for him.

What is not being taken into consideration in your reply is that the BoD (Board of Directors/Owners) is directing him. While you and I perceive the changes Goodell is proposing to the game as destroying the product.

Kickoff rules changed by Goodell (Goodell was told to do so by the owners)
NFL votes to change rules for kickoffs, replay - ESPN

Changes to pads possibly coming.
https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...FL-Owners.aspx

18 game season people are blistering Goodell for
Roger Goodell: NFL targets 2012 for 18-game season - ESPN

OT Rules change
Owners vote to adopt playoff OT rules in regular season - NFL.com

The CEO that survives.... and it allowed to destroy the product is the CEO that is doing the bidding of the Board...

With a laundry list of Goodell actions and talking points having been proven to originated with the owners... Why would you think Bounty Gate is the soul exception?

This is ALL about profitability and reducing liability in court. Every single change from Goodell (via the owners) is about making money and reducing the risk of losing that money. The NFL was founded by people wanting to make money off of sports.

"New Coke" should have ended the career of Roberto C. Goizueta in 1985 but it didn't, he stayed CEO until 1997 when he died.

You see things differently than I have laid them out for you because that is what you are meant to see, Goodell = meat shield for Owners. The only reason I see things differently is because I have experience and know what The Wizard behind the curtain really looks like and have seen the plans of perception laid out.

Vrillon82 · 12-17-2012, 11:12 AM

Who is the owners behind it?

Which are the main culprits?

my guess is owners of the big market teams pulling the strings, someone like Jerry Jones.

TheOak · 12-17-2012, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

Who is the owners behind it?

Which are the main culprits?

my guess is owners of the big market teams pulling the strings, someone like Jerry Jones.

From experience its not 2 or 3... Its not 5 or 11 it is at a bare minimum 17 owners. Majority vote is the only way things happen, this prevents rogue owners or small pockets of owners from doing their own thing.

Also trust me on this.... NO vote is called before the group knows the out come before hand.

It is stated here also...
2011 NFL lockout -- Owners, players come to deal on all points, sources say - ESPN

"Just as the NFL would not have called a vote Thursday in Atlanta without knowing it would pass in the way it did -- 31-0 with one abstention"

Supertek · 12-17-2012, 11:25 AM

I do not think Roger was directed by the owners to do this. At best he sent them misinformation to get them to go along with this under the guise of player safety and to hopefully get some concessions after all the law suits come to the courts. Even then I think it will have little impact on the cases that are pending. Goodell did this out of malice for the Saints organization and for some personal reasons that we may never know. I am just hopefull that enough stick will come off of this that the owners will have to make a move. Even then this man will get a golden parachute that He does not deserve but at least I would not have to look at His face again.

TheOak · 12-17-2012, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Supertek

I do not think Roger was directed by the owners to do this. At best he sent them misinformation to get them to go along with this under the guise of player safety and to hopefully get some concessions after all the law suits come to the courts. Even then I think it will have little impact on the cases that are pending. Goodell did this out of malice for the Saints organization and for some personal reasons that we may never know. I am just hopefull that enough stick will come off of this that the owners will have to make a move. Even then this man will get a golden parachute that He does not deserve but at least I would not have to look at His face again.

So you think the NFL Owners are dolts? Think they would be lead down a path such as we have seen by one man?

Your telling me that people like Jerry Jones, Author Blank, Steve Biscoitti, Robert McNair... Peoples who net worth exceed $1B would just let Roger Goodell just play with their billion dollar franchises? or their +100B league?

No Sir... These are not men with a normal to high gullibility factor. They knew, and they have had the power to put the brakes on it each and every day since it started.

Don't let your hatred for Goodell lead you to think he pulled this all off by him self.

Shoe. · 12-17-2012, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Don't let your hatred for Goodell lead you to think he pulled this all off by him self.

I wish I could have been in the meeting where Benson was told he was gonna have to take one for the team this time.

I wonder which owner it was that told him that, or something to that effect anyway. Jerrah? The Great Roger Goodell Himself Live and In Person?

If everything is as scripted as it certainly feels sometimes, then Benson has known for a while how this whole thing was gonna play out, cause its his $$ on the line as well

TheOak · 12-17-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Shoe.

I wish I could have been in the meeting where Benson was told he was gonna have to take one for the team this time.

I wonder which owner it was that told him that, or something to that effect anyway. Jerrah? The Great Roger Goodell Himself Live and In Person?

If everything is as scripted as it certainly feels sometimes, then Benson has known for a while how this whole thing was gonna play out, cause its his $$ on the line as well

I suspect... Or the way I would have framed it would be like this.
note: When you sit around billionaires you give them the dirty... they are smart enough to figure the rest out.

"Here is the dirty Tom, take one for the shield quietly so we have at least SOMETHING to fight lawsuits with, or leave us with nothing and eventually lose the 978mm value of your team in the long run".. "and go back to selling cars"

"yea... that... the vote.... so far Tom I suppose the count would be 31-1 in our favor"

"I agree this is just like being in prison, you can take it quietly or you can scream.. either way, you are getting it dry".

"If you take it quietly I am sure we can all spare a contribution to your cause".

New Orleans Saints on the Forbes NFL Team Valuations List

All 31 teams owners have broken it off in someones arse to get where they are and KNOW how the game is played. (Packers are publicly owned)

War is not as brutal and bloody as big business.

Vrillon82 · 12-17-2012, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Shoe.

I wish I could have been in the meeting where Benson was told he was gonna have to take one for the team this time.

I wonder which owner it was that told him that, or something to that effect anyway. Jerrah? The Great Roger Goodell Himself Live and In Person?

If everything is as scripted as it certainly feels sometimes, then Benson has known for a while how this whole thing was gonna play out, cause its his $$ on the line as well

I am kind of with you on this, things in this league have seem scripted.

But its been like this before Goodell and to me its felt like this since the late 90s after the NFL put the Salary caps in place the way they have.

Vrillon82 · 12-17-2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I suspect... Or the way I would have framed it would be like this.
note: When you sit around billionaires you give them the dirty... they are smart enough to figure the rest out.

"Here is the dirty Tom, take one for the shield quietly so we have at least SOMETHING to fight lawsuits with, or leave us with nothing and eventually lose the 978mm value of your team in the long run".. "and go back to selling cars"

"yea... that... the vote.... so far Tom I suppose the count would be 31-1 in our favor"

"I agree this is just like being in prison, you can take it quietly or you can scream.. either way, you are getting it dry".

"If you take it quietly I am sure we can all spare a contribution to your cause".

New Orleans Saints on the Forbes NFL Team Valuations List

All 31 teams owners have broken it off in someones arse to get where they are and KNOW how the game is played. (Packers are publicly owned)

War is not as brutal and bloody as big business.

I dunno about the Packers being publicly owned. I think all of that was Grade A Fraud.

But now going back to the Owners, one would question also this..........how much influence does Coaches and Staff have on the Owners of a team?

I venture to say plenty.

12-17-2012, 01:01 AM	#21
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Goodell's Accountability I think the fans of New Orleans is his executioner. I said this for months, he steps foot in New Orleans, hes a dead mean, someone will shoot him.
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12-17-2012, 11:10 AM	#22
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Goodell's Accountability Originally Posted by pherein His cardinal sin is hes hurting the product Oak, and their by reducing the office of Commisioner, or CEO if you want to call it as it is, to look like a lauphing stock. No CEO can do that and suvive. The BOD will axe you. Truthfully I would not be suprised if the BOD of the NFL are not seeking legal counsel to let him go for breach of contract. Just in case this gets worse. Its a solid move on their part. After all you have to think. Someone told Goodell to step down with the bounty case. He never did that on his own. That was decided for him. What is not being taken into consideration in your reply is that the BoD (Board of Directors/Owners) is directing him. While you and I perceive the changes Goodell is proposing to the game as destroying the product. Kickoff rules changed by Goodell (Goodell was told to do so by the owners) NFL votes to change rules for kickoffs, replay - ESPN Changes to pads possibly coming. https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...FL-Owners.aspx 18 game season people are blistering Goodell for Roger Goodell: NFL targets 2012 for 18-game season - ESPN OT Rules change Owners vote to adopt playoff OT rules in regular season - NFL.com The CEO that survives.... and it allowed to destroy the product is the CEO that is doing the bidding of the Board... With a laundry list of Goodell actions and talking points having been proven to originated with the owners... Why would you think Bounty Gate is the soul exception? This is ALL about profitability and reducing liability in court. Every single change from Goodell (via the owners) is about making money and reducing the risk of losing that money. The NFL was founded by people wanting to make money off of sports. "New Coke" should have ended the career of Roberto C. Goizueta in 1985 but it didn't, he stayed CEO until 1997 when he died. You see things differently than I have laid them out for you because that is what you are meant to see, Goodell = meat shield for Owners. The only reason I see things differently is because I have experience and know what The Wizard behind the curtain really looks like and have seen the plans of perception laid out.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau Last edited by TheOak; 12-17-2012 at 11:15 AM..

12-17-2012, 11:12 AM	#23
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Goodell's Accountability Who is the owners behind it? Which are the main culprits? my guess is owners of the big market teams pulling the strings, someone like Jerry Jones.
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12-17-2012, 11:18 AM	#24
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Goodell's Accountability Originally Posted by Vrillon82 Who is the owners behind it? Which are the main culprits? my guess is owners of the big market teams pulling the strings, someone like Jerry Jones. From experience its not 2 or 3... Its not 5 or 11 it is at a bare minimum 17 owners. Majority vote is the only way things happen, this prevents rogue owners or small pockets of owners from doing their own thing. Also trust me on this.... NO vote is called before the group knows the out come before hand. It is stated here also... 2011 NFL lockout -- Owners, players come to deal on all points, sources say - ESPN "Just as the NFL would not have called a vote Thursday in Atlanta without knowing it would pass in the way it did -- 31-0 with one abstention"
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-17-2012, 11:25 AM	#25
Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	Re: Goodell's Accountability I do not think Roger was directed by the owners to do this. At best he sent them misinformation to get them to go along with this under the guise of player safety and to hopefully get some concessions after all the law suits come to the courts. Even then I think it will have little impact on the cases that are pending. Goodell did this out of malice for the Saints organization and for some personal reasons that we may never know. I am just hopefull that enough stick will come off of this that the owners will have to make a move. Even then this man will get a golden parachute that He does not deserve but at least I would not have to look at His face again.

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12-17-2012, 11:38 AM	#26
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Goodell's Accountability Originally Posted by Supertek I do not think Roger was directed by the owners to do this. At best he sent them misinformation to get them to go along with this under the guise of player safety and to hopefully get some concessions after all the law suits come to the courts. Even then I think it will have little impact on the cases that are pending. Goodell did this out of malice for the Saints organization and for some personal reasons that we may never know. I am just hopefull that enough stick will come off of this that the owners will have to make a move. Even then this man will get a golden parachute that He does not deserve but at least I would not have to look at His face again. So you think the NFL Owners are dolts? Think they would be lead down a path such as we have seen by one man? Your telling me that people like Jerry Jones, Author Blank, Steve Biscoitti, Robert McNair... Peoples who net worth exceed $1B would just let Roger Goodell just play with their billion dollar franchises? or their +100B league? No Sir... These are not men with a normal to high gullibility factor. They knew, and they have had the power to put the brakes on it each and every day since it started. Don't let your hatred for Goodell lead you to think he pulled this all off by him self.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-17-2012, 01:07 PM	#27
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Goodell's Accountability Originally Posted by TheOak Don't let your hatred for Goodell lead you to think he pulled this all off by him self. I wish I could have been in the meeting where Benson was told he was gonna have to take one for the team this time. I wonder which owner it was that told him that, or something to that effect anyway. Jerrah? The Great Roger Goodell Himself Live and In Person? If everything is as scripted as it certainly feels sometimes, then Benson has known for a while how this whole thing was gonna play out, cause its his $$ on the line as well

12-17-2012, 01:25 PM	#28
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Goodell's Accountability Originally Posted by Shoe. I wish I could have been in the meeting where Benson was told he was gonna have to take one for the team this time. I wonder which owner it was that told him that, or something to that effect anyway. Jerrah? The Great Roger Goodell Himself Live and In Person? If everything is as scripted as it certainly feels sometimes, then Benson has known for a while how this whole thing was gonna play out, cause its his $$ on the line as well I suspect... Or the way I would have framed it would be like this. note: When you sit around billionaires you give them the dirty... they are smart enough to figure the rest out. "Here is the dirty Tom, take one for the shield quietly so we have at least SOMETHING to fight lawsuits with, or leave us with nothing and eventually lose the 978mm value of your team in the long run".. "and go back to selling cars" "yea... that... the vote.... so far Tom I suppose the count would be 31-1 in our favor" "I agree this is just like being in prison, you can take it quietly or you can scream.. either way, you are getting it dry". "If you take it quietly I am sure we can all spare a contribution to your cause". New Orleans Saints on the Forbes NFL Team Valuations List All 31 teams owners have broken it off in someones arse to get where they are and KNOW how the game is played. (Packers are publicly owned) War is not as brutal and bloody as big business.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-17-2012, 02:10 PM	#29
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Goodell's Accountability Originally Posted by Shoe. I wish I could have been in the meeting where Benson was told he was gonna have to take one for the team this time. I wonder which owner it was that told him that, or something to that effect anyway. Jerrah? The Great Roger Goodell Himself Live and In Person? If everything is as scripted as it certainly feels sometimes, then Benson has known for a while how this whole thing was gonna play out, cause its his $$ on the line as well I am kind of with you on this, things in this league have seem scripted. But its been like this before Goodell and to me its felt like this since the late 90s after the NFL put the Salary caps in place the way they have.
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12-17-2012, 02:13 PM	#30
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Goodell's Accountability Originally Posted by TheOak I suspect... Or the way I would have framed it would be like this. note: When you sit around billionaires you give them the dirty... they are smart enough to figure the rest out. "Here is the dirty Tom, take one for the shield quietly so we have at least SOMETHING to fight lawsuits with, or leave us with nothing and eventually lose the 978mm value of your team in the long run".. "and go back to selling cars" "yea... that... the vote.... so far Tom I suppose the count would be 31-1 in our favor" "I agree this is just like being in prison, you can take it quietly or you can scream.. either way, you are getting it dry". "If you take it quietly I am sure we can all spare a contribution to your cause". New Orleans Saints on the Forbes NFL Team Valuations List All 31 teams owners have broken it off in someones arse to get where they are and KNOW how the game is played. (Packers are publicly owned) War is not as brutal and bloody as big business. I dunno about the Packers being publicly owned. I think all of that was Grade A Fraud. But now going back to the Owners, one would question also this..........how much influence does Coaches and Staff have on the Owners of a team? I venture to say plenty.
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