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Saintaintso 12-18-2012 03:40 AM

You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
Before the Madness begins and let me forewarn it's 100% madness , let's take into account what Superbowl Teams have in common.

* A team that is peaking talent and age wise ... There is a special time when players and teams have a glow to them. i e ... 49'ers. For whatever reason , things flow their way , They are in the heat of their prime ,a balance struck between young stud and Savy Veteran. Kind of funny I got into an argument with a buddy of mine who's a cowboys fan and I was explaining to him how Romo will never win a ring. Not because of his Talents or lack thereof but because he's wasted several teams that were peaking at the right time. From the Julius Jones Era to Marions to Felix now Murrays , they had some bonafide teams. Now he's with a group of toddlers so to speak and the chem is all off. Like I said the right timing is everything. They were primed oh well. Give drew that level of talent and it'd be ugly. ( Just a thought )

* Defense : A team that is Superbowl Bound has a good enough defense. Whether that be giving up a ton of yards but very little points or giving up a ton of points then cashing in on a bunch of takeaways ( Our 09 Model ) A game changing performance would be neccessary game in and out to take one all the way. ( Tracy Porter anybody ? ) I still don't know how we let that man walk.

QB : Flat out theres no way around it. Your field general has to be lights out on fire. Comprende ? Eli , Brees , Rodgers , Brady ( I don't have to go into further detail )

Now with this being said here is my wild and crazy proposition.

Trade Drew Brees for Cam Newton.

Why ??? NOOO !!!

Just a Second Let me Explain here.

The Panthers have a Veteran Team just not a Vet QB. IMO this is one of the most explosive teams period. Drew would greatly benefit from the zone that they are already in being that they are in that perfect zone in their careers.
He'd have a decent defense and we all know that's all he needs. Anything this man touches becomes a weapon and Steve Smith is already a Missile.
Let me explain though why it wouldn't work for Cam. By the time this guy hits his stride 4th or 5th Year ( Coaching Changes greatly harm young players ) the veteran Talent around him will be falling apart or retired. Thus wasting another Athletic QB. The panthers Age tells a tale of a team that's ready to win now. The Panther Salary Cap could easily manage Drew. The Panthers also have the best or one of the best offensive lines when healthy.
The last thing Drew Needs is more time to hurt your Db's feelings.

Now what do we get out of it ? Cam Newton and Sean Payton. We are young band of players. Think about it ... Graham , Moore , Ingram , Jordan , with the just right amount of Vets. Plus were going to go for youth in key positions in this years draft. We will be a younger team. I think SP would not only maximize On Cams talent and ability , but get him to a new gear. Almost Auburn like numbers. Think about RGIII and Shanahan , Now dare to Imagine Cam Newton and Sean Payton. Naturally we would run the Ball which means that other heisman winning guy would actually get some carries. Stats don't lie either , when we run the ball our defense is lights out as well. Then lastly the Primed thing. Imagine a Team thats 5 years away from being in their prime but can play like it now with Sean Payton on the Sticks ? I can't make this up people.


There you have it . Drew gets his 4 Years of Primed Vets , An offensive Line

We Get 2 Heisman winners and Sean Payton. And A Team to be Feared for at least a Decade to come.

WhoDat!656 12-18-2012 04:11 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
I don't like it and it is NOT logical!

If all the Saints need is a younger QB, why not trade Brees for Sanchez or Tebow?

The defense is learning a new scheme and we are finally seeing the results of it.

When we get Payton back next year, there will be changes made in the Saints roster, and the Saints will be ready to go back to the Super Bowl!

Except for the gender, I agree with Tommy Lee Jones!

Saintaintso 12-18-2012 04:15 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
Why trade for 2 busts ? Cam Is Legit and worlds better than Tebow or Sanchez maybe even put together he is still better.

lee909 12-18-2012 04:27 AM

I feel I need a shower just for reading about that trade.

Newtons attitude stinks,he has talent but a huge ego that needs him to be centre stage all the time.Drew still has time here,if we have another season like this one next year then I would say it maybe time to rebuild the team and a trade could be beneficial to all parties but Newton in a black and gold jersey(shudders)

WhoDat!656 12-18-2012 04:37 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saintaintso (Post 466121)
Why trade for 2 busts ? Cam Is Legit and worlds better than Tebow or Sanchez maybe even put together he is still better.

Other than a decent rookie season, which the Saints swept the Panthers, what has Newton done?

You say Sanchez and Tebow are busts, but at least those 2 QBs have WON playoff games!

SmashMouth 12-18-2012 05:33 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
lol...... put the pipe down before you step off too far off the ledge!

SloMotion 12-18-2012 05:44 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 466123)
I feel I need a shower just for reading about that trade.

Newtons attitude stinks,he has talent but a huge ego that needs him to be centre stage all the time.Drew still has time here,if we have another season like this one next year then I would say it maybe time to rebuild the team and a trade could be beneficial to all parties but Newton in a black and gold jersey(shudders)

I gotta' agree, Cam's all about the Newton-brand. Cam with a Zatarain's endorsement? I don't see it.

vpheughan 12-18-2012 06:29 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
We got the guy right here,Chase Daniel. He can run the read option just like Russel Wilson.

skymike 12-18-2012 06:30 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
.... april fool?
The Onion?
Dean & Rog Morning Show Birthday Scam?

Cam Newton?
What, is Ryan Leaf not available?

OldMaid 12-18-2012 06:35 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
Huh? Later.
No time to reread what I thought I read, but actually did not read.

No team stays on top . All have rebuilding.
I understand that.

Shoe. 12-18-2012 06:55 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
um no

Just...

No.

Don't you have finals to be studying for? And we need to talk about the definition of 'logical'

Mardigras9 12-18-2012 08:42 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
Hitting the spiked Egg Nog a little early are we?

NonieT 12-18-2012 08:45 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
Cam Newton is a head case and can stay right where he is!

CharityMike 12-18-2012 08:47 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
Should have stopped reading after he said " Tracy Porter, I still don't know why we let that man walk". Do you watch any games other than Saints? Ask the Broncos how good he is doing. he has done nothing but get beat over there when he even plays. He has been out most of the season with some kind of illness.

Trade Brees for "All about me" Newton..lmao

Throw the bong away!

bobdog86 12-18-2012 08:52 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
With all due respect, bullish*t. This really isn't worth discussing. Brees for Newton? That's just plain stupid, sorry to the fella posting this, i'd rather have the dirty Sanchez.

|Mitch| 12-18-2012 08:53 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
logical?? :rolleyes:

SaintsBro 12-18-2012 09:10 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
If you like Cam Newton so much there are bars where you can go and watch his games every Sunday. No need for us to mess up our team so you can watch him.

dam1953 12-18-2012 09:50 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
Your right, I don't like the idea. The thought of trading Brees for Newton is counter to the team's philosophy. In 2010 Loomis voiced the thought process used when he and Payton built the current organization.

"We felt like character was even more important for our team," Loomis said. "That's been true from the first meeting I had with Sean and we've continued to have that emphasis." This search for character is what has made the Saints a dominant power over the past five years.

The mistake they made was they misjudged the "character" of Williams. Though they did win the Superbowl with him, it has cost the organization ever since.

Now you want to trade proven talent and character (Brees) for raw talent with major character flaws (Newton). Worse yet, trade Brees to a division team so that he can kick the Saint's butts twice a year for the next 5+ years. Dumb, really dumb idea.

pumpkindriver 12-18-2012 10:13 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
It just doesn't hold water, just go look at New England and Tom Brady. A team can go up and down during a QB's carreer. Heck look at Elway, Lost 3 SB's but then late in his career, with Shanahan won 2 straight SB's. You never, ever, EVER trade a proven top shelf QB while he still has gas in the tank. True greatness at the QB position is too hard to find.

halloween 65 12-18-2012 10:16 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
Newton is the same as Brooks was, all about himself, I never ever want to see him in a Saints uniform as long as I am alive. Payton can groom anyone else as far as I am concerned, anyone else!!

jnormand 12-18-2012 11:28 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth and that was still less disgusting than Scam in black and gold. I stopped reading right when you said that. Not logical...that notion makes me sick to my stomach. Scam is a piece of ****. He cares more about himself than his team. It's all about him. Disgusting.

saintfan 12-18-2012 12:06 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/20...1645910469.jpg

UK_WhoDat 12-18-2012 12:27 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
You were doing well

until the last word of the thread title.

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2...36dac958b5.jpg

frankeefrank 12-18-2012 12:30 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
There's this kid who QB's the flag football team near my house in Daly City, CA... He's young and a QB...
Just saying.

st thomas 12-18-2012 12:37 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
not going there. Give me drew brees and sean payton and one more season before i would take 4 years of cam. Just the thought is not nowhere enticing.cam to me is non coachable. He will always run before he passes. Its always easier to key on one qb then 4 wideouts

frankeefrank 12-18-2012 12:43 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
What about that Sam Gordon girl?
She's legit...
Super Bowl Baby!!!!

Papa Voodoo 12-18-2012 02:14 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
You NEVER trade Brees, period.

saintsfan403 12-18-2012 02:42 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
hahahaha, FOOL OF A TOOK!
why not draft a qb in the first round 2 years from now and have him sit 2 seasons behind our current hall of famer? i.e. the way rodgers learned from favre.
and who the fugg cares if newton won a heisman? he's not making a good transition to the NFL and he's a terrible teammate...heisman doesn't mean shib, look at troy smith.

Rell&Gold 12-18-2012 03:21 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
I dont agree w/ the trade thing but how do we know Cam is all about himself or Isn't a team player he doesn't play for US and I dont think no one on here knows him personally...and when you only have 1! legit reciever I'd run before I pass too...Im a FOOTBALL FAN 1st if he had some talent around him he'd be better thats all Im saying

lee909 12-18-2012 03:31 PM

I think most people go off his body language.It stinks,especially when they loose.Now I'm not suggesting he should look happy after a loss but he always has that look of a spoilt child that didn't get there own way.He should be trying to lift players after a defeat if he is the team leader.
It seems a lot of players don't like his attitude either.

whodat4life 12-18-2012 03:33 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
People like this should NOT be allowed to post! SMH, idiots.

Rugby Saint II 12-18-2012 03:40 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
My fiance and her whole family went to Auburn so I watch a lot of their games. Watching Newton play in college was exciting but he did begin to get on my nerves with that Superman thing when he did it in the NFL. He does seem to be all about me. I think he's peaking right now and in my opinion his career will be similar to Michael Vicks career. Leave him where he is....in our division where we can spank him twice a year.
We just committed to Brees and I want to ride his shoulder to a couple of more Super Bowls. Never give away a sure thing for a lesser value.

OldMaid 12-18-2012 04:33 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
newton is very childish, no teammpalyer.
His interviews are always about the others doing something wrong and never him.
Absolutley not , not here.

Saints have had their fair share, a few, of showboaters and it is not worth the trouble.
I cannot think of the RB who went to Miami after here and played on Ditka's team.
Ricky Williams.
That is it.
No people here who are showboaters or who don't want to be in little Saints market.

Tebow is an ok qb.
What he has played was ok. If he were so much, Elway and Denver would have kept him. I have nothing against prayer, etc., but Tebow is believing the myth about himself, remember Rock of Ages show he went to, and is too much of a distraction.


Brees will end his career. He won't end it on top either because no one does.
I think Brees has another good two years and it would be great for the Saints to have him finish his career here.
NOW, Saints , need to start looking for a good qb to develop. Is it Chase D?
Someone else? Draft one?

onebyone 12-18-2012 04:36 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
The boards are funny as hell today.

Ditch Brees, get Cam? Bwhahahahahaha.

No.

skymike 12-18-2012 05:20 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
dont forget. - Nick Saban to be our next coach.
- Lets Throw the Cowboy Game.

Boutte 12-18-2012 06:10 PM

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http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...thumbsdown.gif

nola_swammi 12-18-2012 06:19 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
I wouldn't take Cam for Chase Daniel; they couldn't even give'm to us for xmas present of rocks. The guy have a lot of talent but is a cancer to the locker room.

papz 12-18-2012 06:36 PM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
Ok... how many drinks did you have when you thought of this brilliant idea?

vpheughan 12-19-2012 07:59 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
He and Steve Smith deserve each other!

Vrillon82 12-19-2012 08:04 AM

Re: You're not going to like this , but it's logical !
 
I imagine if the Saints go for a QB, its going to be a FA pickup like they did with Brees.


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