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cmsaint 12-18-2012 11:50 AM

Saban to N.O.
 
With Payton being quite and Saban running his chops, this makes a lot of sense.

Saban is done with the college game. I dont care what he says, been there done that and dominatd.

Hes upset about the way he left Miami. He wants back in the NFL. So much so he's kissing Brees a$$ in the media.

Saban stated he'd only come back to a good gm and a great qb.

Not to mention the Mark Ingram connection for what its worth (he is all of the sudden getting a much increased workload).

I feel like enough time has passed since the LSU days, seems as though Saban is generally accepted in the region.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. I also am not completely opposed to it, kinda warming up to it actually.

What am I missing? What say you?

Jamessr 12-18-2012 11:55 AM

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I don't want to be rude but you'd be a good fit in the current media....
making nothing into something and starting rumors.

Beastmode 12-18-2012 12:10 PM

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There has been some dialogue however don't think there is much more under the surface. Saban, as much as he likes a challenge, he also likes control which no NFL team is going to give him.

st thomas 12-18-2012 12:15 PM

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What the fott. Espn going off again.

frankeefrank 12-18-2012 12:28 PM

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No Chance

Mardigras9 12-18-2012 12:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 466208)
I don't want to be rude but you'd be a good fit in the current media....
making nothing into something and starting rumors.

Pretty funny!!!

NuNu318 12-18-2012 12:45 PM

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No way. He might have similarities to Payton in their coaching (control of every aspect...detail oriented in everything...accountability enforced with the players) but here's the difference.

Personality...

Now, both are widely known as arrogant a**holes in the profession. But they are 2 different degrees of arrogant a**holes. Payton seems to steer his arrogance more toward the media and the hypocritical NFL brass more than anything else. But in the lockeroom, although he chews players out and holds them accountable on every mistake they make, he seems well respected and well liked. They seem to consider him not only their unquestioned leader but a guy who's going to be their for them off the football field.

Saban on the other hand seems to be a much colder type of person. His a**hole-ishness is almost menacing. The guy doesn't seem to like ...well...anything. And say what you want about Heath Evans...but I remember his discription of how he treated his players when he was on the Dolphins. How he stepped over a guy having a seizure in the facility hallway after practice like it was nothing.

Although Payton can be a massive douche he seems a little bit in tune with the personal side of players than Saban does. And with how close this coaching staff and players are...and how much they've succeeded with that type of coaching and lockeroom atmosphere....I don't think that a sudden change to Saban would work out well at all.

cmsaint 12-18-2012 01:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 466208)
I don't want to be rude but you'd be a good fit in the current media....
making nothing into something and starting rumors.

Well you failed miserably on the "not trying to be rude" front. Im just throwing a potential scenario out there for feedback. Thanks for the worthless reply.

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 466211)
There has been some dialogue however don't think there is much more under the surface. Saban, as much as he likes a challenge, he also likes control which no NFL team is going to give him.

Payton seems to have plenty of control in NO. But you may be right.

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Originally Posted by frankeefrank (Post 466216)
No Chance

And why? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Mardigras9 (Post 466217)
Pretty funny!!!

Hilarious.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NuNu318 (Post 466224)
No way. He might have similarities to Payton in their coaching (control of every aspect...detail oriented in everything...accountability enforced with the players) but here's the difference.

Personality...

Now, both are widely known as arrogant a**holes in the profession. But they are 2 different degrees of arrogant a**holes. Payton seems to steer his arrogance more toward the media and the hypocritical NFL brass more than anything else. But in the lockeroom, although he chews players out and holds them accountable on every mistake they make, he seems well respected and well liked. They seem to consider him not only their unquestioned leader but a guy who's going to be their for them off the football field.

Saban on the other hand seems to be a much colder type of person. His a**hole-ishness is almost menacing. The guy doesn't seem to like ...well...anything. And say what you want about Heath Evans...but I remember his discription of how he treated his players when he was on the Dolphins. How he stepped over a guy having a seizure in the facility hallway after practice like it was nothing.

Although Payton can be a massive douche he seems a little bit in tune with the personal side of players than Saban does. And with how close this coaching staff and players are...and how much they've succeeded with that type of coaching and lockeroom atmosphere....I don't think that a sudden change to Saban would work out well at all.

Thanks for this response. This was the kind of stuff I was looking for. I completely forgot about Heath Evans recolection of Saban. Mind changed. I wouldnt welcome him at this point. I think youre spot on with your Payton assesment.

Halo 12-18-2012 01:27 PM

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It's a fun thread.

If Sean Payton didn't return, all bets are OFF. Saban's name would be thrown around, like every other high profile name in the football world.

New Orleans would be THE PREMIER venue for a head coach, and the best of the best would line up.

Jamessr 12-18-2012 01:28 PM

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Not my fault you make a worthless thread and get honest opinions.

Danno 12-18-2012 01:45 PM

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And Brees gets traded to Dallas to follow Payton, and Graham refuses to sign without Brees here, Loomis gets fired due to the exodus so that leaves us in cap hell so we have to cut Harper, Evans, Bushrod, Henderson, Vilma, Smith, DLP, and Morstead (the most damaging departure in NFL history) and we become the 1-15 bottom-dwellers for the next 10 years.

Ain't speculation fun?

Utah_Saint 12-18-2012 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 466238)
And Brees gets traded to Dallas to follow Payton, and Graham refuses to sign without Brees here, Loomis gets fired due to the exodus so that leaves us in cap hell so we have to cut Harper, Evans, Bushrod, Henderson, Vilma, Smith, DLP, and Morstead (the most damaging departure in NFL history) and we become the 1-15 bottom-dwellers for the next 10 years.

Ain't speculation fun?

Well that ruined my day.

SaintsBro 12-18-2012 01:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 466238)
And Brees gets traded to Dallas to follow Payton, and Graham refuses to sign without Brees here, Loomis gets fired due to the exodus so that leaves us in cap hell so we have to cut Harper, Evans, Bushrod, Henderson, Vilma, Smith, DLP, and Morstead (the most damaging departure in NFL history) and we become the 1-15 bottom-dwellers for the next 10 years.

Ain't speculation fun?

You left out "then Benson moves the team" but otherwise, very nice work.

Danno 12-18-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 466240)
You left out "then Benson moves the team" but otherwise, very nice work.

Damn! I knew there was something missing!

Papa Voodoo 12-18-2012 01:58 PM

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Sean is the most coveted coach in the NFL.

Danno 12-18-2012 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 466242)
Sean is the most coveted coach in the NFL.

I don't think so. I'd say both Harbaughs, Belichik, McCarthy, Tomlin, and even Carrol are just as coveted, not to mention Bill Cowher.

Jamessr 12-18-2012 02:30 PM

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I'm not sure about Cowher.... he's been out too long and I think the game has passed him by

saintsfan403 12-18-2012 02:34 PM

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Here's a second scenario that's the most likely out of all of them. Dallas wins the NFC east in a tie break with the redskins and jerry jones doesn't fire jason garret, all this payton leaving bull **** drys up and he signs with the saints again. meanwhile the media switches to the next sensationalist story for 3 months, maybe reggie bush will start dating a kardashian or tebow will leak a sex tape? one can only hope

aintasinner 12-18-2012 04:11 PM

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I say Saban gave college coaches transferring to the NFL a bad name; he and Petrino. Apparently good college coaching skills don't necessarily transfer into good NFL coaching skills.

skymike 12-18-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 466230)
It's a fun thread.

If Sean Payton didn't return, all bets are OFF. Saban's name would be thrown around, like every other high profile name in the football world.

New Orleans would be THE PREMIER venue for a head coach, and the best of the best would line up.

You're in a nice mood today :)

Hey, I got a new thread title:
Assuming Nick Saban is going to be our next coach.

It must be 4:20. The last 3 threads I've visited. "Saban to N.0", "Lets Trade Brees for Cam Newton," and "Hey, Lets Throw the Dallas Game."

I need a drink.

Papa Voodoo 12-18-2012 04:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 466248)
I don't think so. I'd say both Harbaughs, Belichik, McCarthy, Tomlin, and even Carrol are just as coveted, not to mention Bill Cowher.

The Harbaughs are using teams built by their predecessors. Belichik isn't going on the market until Brady retires. I don't agree about Tomlin or Carrol. Cowher is a great coach, but high power passing offenes are what's hot and Sean knows it as good or better than anyone. Let me ask, how many of those coaches would have been able to come in in 2006 and build a team that won a Superbowl? Belichik is the only one I would go out on that limb for.

Danno 12-18-2012 05:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 466324)
The Harbaughs are using teams built by their predecessors. Belichik isn't going on the market until Brady retires. I don't agree about Tomlin or Carrol. Cowher is a great coach, but high power passing offenes are what's hot and Sean knows it as good or better than anyone. Let me ask, how many of those coaches would have been able to come in in 2006 and build a team that won a Superbowl? Belichik is the only one I would go out on that limb for.

But one could also say why go after Payton since its likely his success is due to Drew Brees.

Many here have said if we lost Brees we'd be lucky to win 6 games. I think all the players here were brought in by Payton/Loomis. So without Brees what makes Payton so desirable?

I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just kinda curious. I think he's a great coach, but without Brees? Who knows?

AllSaints 12-18-2012 05:39 PM

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DITKA !

pumpkindriver 12-18-2012 05:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 466328)
But one could also say why go after Payton since its likely his success is due to Drew Brees.

Many here have said if we lost Brees we'd be lucky to win 6 games. I think all the players here were brought in by Payton/Loomis. So without Brees what makes Payton so desirable?

I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just kinda curious. I think he's a great coach, but without Brees? Who knows?

Well first of all Brees wasn't SP's first choice, he tried to get Romo away from Dallas. I do believe Romo would've been a far better QB under SP's tutelage. SP knows how to guide and develop a QB. I believe he did this with Brees, getting the most out of him, something the staff in SD was only able to scratch the surface of. SP is the consumate offensive playcaller, and with a little bit of defense he'll have us back in top form in no time.

Danno 12-18-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pumpkindriver (Post 466341)
Well first of all Brees wasn't SP's first choice, he tried to get Romo away from Dallas. I do believe Romo would've been a far better QB under SP's tutelage. SP knows how to guide and develop a QB. I believe he did this with Brees, getting the most out of him, something the staff in SD was only able to scratch the surface of. SP is the consumate offensive playcaller, and with a little bit of defense he'll have us back in top form in no time.

I thought he tried to get Romo after we signed Brees.

foreverfan 12-18-2012 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 466314)
You're in a nice mood today :)

Hey, I got a new thread title:
Assuming Nick Saban is going to be our next coach.

It must be 4:20. The last 3 threads I've visited. "Saban to N.0", "Lets Trade Brees for Cam Newton," and "Hey, Lets Throw the Dallas Game."

I need a drink.

And then you can go pee on the "old" fence. :D

In any case, Saban to New Orleans would get me to stop hating on him.
Anything to get him out of Alabama. :cry2: Geaux LSU!!! :cool:

foreverfan 12-18-2012 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AllSaints (Post 466334)
DITKA !


:chainsaw:


:goodidea:

Boutte 12-18-2012 06:17 PM

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Where are these people coming from? Trade Drew for Cam Newton, let the Cowboys win, Nick Saban as Saints HC!

Let's hire A.J. Smith while we're at it.

bobdog86 12-18-2012 06:56 PM

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AJ? Hell Yes, but only if Norv follows!!! Can't read much more of this stuff, i'm gonna go drink until I pee myself, again

TheEnigma 12-18-2012 07:27 PM

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I'd much rather have Payton. Saban failed as an NFL coach and then left and went back to college.

NOLA54 12-18-2012 08:14 PM

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The only coach suited for this team has the initials S.P.

houwhodat 12-18-2012 08:25 PM

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Saban is not an NFL coach.

onebyone 12-18-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by houwhodat (Post 466383)
Saban is not an NFL coach.

And I want to keep up that trend.

Just say no to Saban to N.O.

QBREES9 12-19-2012 12:28 AM

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God No !

pherein 12-19-2012 04:04 AM

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Forget Saban I want Dennis Green :)

skymike 12-19-2012 06:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 466381)
The only coach suited for this team has the initials S.P.

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/...steveperry.jpg

The only coach suited for this team is Steve Perry from Journey?

TheOak 12-19-2012 06:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 466230)
It's a fun thread.

If Sean Payton didn't return, all bets are OFF. Saban's name would be thrown around, like every other high profile name in the football world.

New Orleans would be THE PREMIER venue for a head coach, and the best of the best would line up.

LOL Ill feed off Halo's reply so others can answer..


Since New Orleans is such a premiere spot for a Head Coach. (I do agree)

LOL where is the logic Sean Payton would leave...

Contrary to popular belief around here, some people select their company and job on more than just $.

burningmetal 12-19-2012 07:28 AM

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I don't want Saban, regardless of anything that happens with Payton. I can see where Nick would have interest in us, but I don't think the feeling would be mutual. Saban is suited for college ball. You get to be hands on in recruiting who you want, with no worries about money. All you need is for players to sign a letter of intent. And kids who are fresh out of highschool tend to have much more respect for their coaches, because they know they have to fly straight and prove themselves if they want a chance at the NFL.

But once players get to the NFL, many of them get complacent and disrespectful, thinking they're now entitled. So as a coach, you no longer have free reign on who you get to play for you, and your players are much harder to manage. It takes a truly special coach and organization to establish consistency in this league. Saban had his chance, and proved he couldn't handle it.

All that said, I can't imagine Sean Payton is dumb enough to leave what he has built. Where is he gonna go? We see people jump from college to the NFL all the time, but once you're in the NFL and you've established success, how do you go up from there?

Jamessr 12-19-2012 08:06 AM

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Saban for Payton
Tebow for Brees
Bears Oline for ours....

Yup Mayans were correct.... the world is ending

Budsdrinker 12-19-2012 01:56 PM

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I think I need a drink!


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