Im thinking safety...

4everSaint · 01-01-2013, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Give me a proven pass rusher, none of this "he's raw but got a ton of upside crap" sick of hearing that "he'll be good in a couple years," we need them to be good now

We need someone who is a proven impact player and can make a difference straight away

This!!!

Wilde18 · 01-01-2013, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by 4everSaint

This!!!

Signed! But a few youngsters in the second line, with good skills and the ability to be future players are ok!

hagan714 · 01-01-2013, 08:56 PM

If we are talking safety at 15 there is only one player worth taking there that knows how to play the position

Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State

Jenkins plays closer to line as a so called SS, which is no longer a true position with all the rule changes in the NFL. he seems to play best in a 20 yard zone from the OL

Let Banks play deep zone. He plays off WR as it is.

So the saints take to the field with all CB in the secondary

burningmetal · 01-01-2013, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

Also I agree that white and p-rob are going to be great corners next season. Greer is done too. Gone was once our so called best cb tandem with Greer and porter. Those days long gone.

Patrick Robinson is the worst Corner I have ever seen in a Saints uniform. And there have been some bad one's. I don't think there is a prayer he ever becomes good, much less great.

It's hard to say what we need the most, but just by virtue of having Lofton in the middle, I believe linebacker is our strongest point. It ain't good, but the D-line and secondary don't have anyone with the same impact as Lofton. Must get a pass rusher, and find some way to get some secondary help in free agency.

westbankdaze · 01-01-2013, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Patrick Robinson is the worst Corner I have ever seen in a Saints uniform. And there have been some bad one's. I don't think there is a prayer he ever becomes good, much less great.

It's hard to say what we need the most, but just by virtue of having Lofton in the middle, I believe linebacker is our strongest point. It ain't good, but the D-line and secondary don't have anyone with the same impact as Lofton. Must get a pass rusher, and find some way to get some secondary help in free agency.

I'm not so sure about that. He could have led the team with picks this season. Dude is extremely athletic - he had his hands on a lot of passes this season. I have a hunch he will break out next season.

burningmetal · 01-02-2013, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

I'm not so sure about that. He could have led the team with picks this season. Dude is extremely athletic - he had his hands on a lot of passes this season. I have a hunch he will break out next season.

I don't believe I've ever seen someone compliment a player for something he could have done. But if you wanna look at it that way, Roman Harper has dropped about 30 interceptions in his career. 7 years in, he has not broken out. But personally, I haven't noticed where P-Rob has had that many opportunities to get an INT. He gets burned so badly, he is never close to the ball. he has a tendency to just stop in the middle of a receiver's route, and when teams throw short passes in front of him he always backs up instead of making the tackle.

I would love for you to be right about him, but based on everything he's done, I don't see a shred of evidence that he'll be any good.

Papa Voodoo · 01-02-2013, 01:14 PM

We have good safeties in-house. Pass Rushing Beast Monster gets my viote.

voodooido · 01-02-2013, 02:26 PM

If I read it correctly it would only save like a million if we cut Harper which sucks because I think he is the first that needs to go. Our backups played better then him. I would give them a chance next year and pass on a early safety. OT, D-line and CB are 3 needs that must be addressed first.

voodooido · 01-02-2013, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Patrick Robinson is the worst Corner I have ever seen in a Saints uniform. And there have been some bad one's. I don't think there is a prayer he ever becomes good, much less great..

Um, do you remember Alex Molden?

Papa Voodoo · 01-02-2013, 04:07 PM

Molden and Jaon David. More passing yards per play against him than open space. That is pathetic.

01-01-2013, 01:14 PM	#21
4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 809	Re: Im thinking safety... Originally Posted by dizzle88 Give me a proven pass rusher, none of this "he's raw but got a ton of upside crap" sick of hearing that "he'll be good in a couple years," we need them to be good now We need someone who is a proven impact player and can make a difference straight away This!!!

01-01-2013, 01:17 PM	#22
Wilde18 GERMAN WHO DAT! Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 301	Originally Posted by 4everSaint This!!! Signed! But a few youngsters in the second line, with good skills and the ability to be future players are ok!

01-01-2013, 08:56 PM	#23
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Im thinking safety... If we are talking safety at 15 there is only one player worth taking there that knows how to play the position Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State Jenkins plays closer to line as a so called SS, which is no longer a true position with all the rule changes in the NFL. he seems to play best in a 20 yard zone from the OL Let Banks play deep zone. He plays off WR as it is. So the saints take to the field with all CB in the secondary
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01-01-2013, 09:38 PM	#24
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Im thinking safety... Originally Posted by westbankdaze Also I agree that white and p-rob are going to be great corners next season. Greer is done too. Gone was once our so called best cb tandem with Greer and porter. Those days long gone. Patrick Robinson is the worst Corner I have ever seen in a Saints uniform. And there have been some bad one's. I don't think there is a prayer he ever becomes good, much less great. It's hard to say what we need the most, but just by virtue of having Lofton in the middle, I believe linebacker is our strongest point. It ain't good, but the D-line and secondary don't have anyone with the same impact as Lofton. Must get a pass rusher, and find some way to get some secondary help in free agency.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-01-2013, 09:40 PM	#25
westbankdaze 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 843	Originally Posted by burningmetal Patrick Robinson is the worst Corner I have ever seen in a Saints uniform. And there have been some bad one's. I don't think there is a prayer he ever becomes good, much less great. It's hard to say what we need the most, but just by virtue of having Lofton in the middle, I believe linebacker is our strongest point. It ain't good, but the D-line and secondary don't have anyone with the same impact as Lofton. Must get a pass rusher, and find some way to get some secondary help in free agency. I'm not so sure about that. He could have led the team with picks this season. Dude is extremely athletic - he had his hands on a lot of passes this season. I have a hunch he will break out next season.
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01-02-2013, 03:34 AM	#26
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Im thinking safety... Originally Posted by westbankdaze I'm not so sure about that. He could have led the team with picks this season. Dude is extremely athletic - he had his hands on a lot of passes this season. I have a hunch he will break out next season. I don't believe I've ever seen someone compliment a player for something he could have done. But if you wanna look at it that way, Roman Harper has dropped about 30 interceptions in his career. 7 years in, he has not broken out. But personally, I haven't noticed where P-Rob has had that many opportunities to get an INT. He gets burned so badly, he is never close to the ball. he has a tendency to just stop in the middle of a receiver's route, and when teams throw short passes in front of him he always backs up instead of making the tackle. I would love for you to be right about him, but based on everything he's done, I don't see a shred of evidence that he'll be any good.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-02-2013, 01:14 PM	#27
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Im thinking safety... We have good safeties in-house. Pass Rushing Beast Monster gets my viote. Danno likes this.

01-02-2013, 02:26 PM	#28
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Im thinking safety... If I read it correctly it would only save like a million if we cut Harper which sucks because I think he is the first that needs to go. Our backups played better then him. I would give them a chance next year and pass on a early safety. OT, D-line and CB are 3 needs that must be addressed first.
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01-02-2013, 02:28 PM	#29
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Im thinking safety... Originally Posted by burningmetal Patrick Robinson is the worst Corner I have ever seen in a Saints uniform. And there have been some bad one's. I don't think there is a prayer he ever becomes good, much less great.. Um, do you remember Alex Molden?
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01-02-2013, 04:07 PM	#30
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Im thinking safety... Molden and Jaon David. More passing yards per play against him than open space. That is pathetic.

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