The one free agent you would love to see us get

alleycat_126 · 01-16-2013, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

We have close to zero money for free agents. If we sign any high priced free agent, it should be front seven IMO.

Both San Fran and Seattle didn't get much pass rush this past weekend and two of the best secondaries in football looked positively ordinary.

We are a year behind on d line help we should have Chandler Jones!!!

This front seven first talk is hogwash, you can draft your D.line starting with Dion Jordan. you know we will have money to sign our wanted free agents back, none of which are big contracts, re-do jimmy's contract , resign bushrod for the right price and go after maybe one or two high priced guys, and that's even with us being up against it.

Danno · 01-16-2013, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Boutte

We keep signing free agent DTs and they never pan out. What's up with that?

Sean Rogers was just too far past his prime, but was a cheap gamble.

Abreuo Franklin played OK, but he's a 3-4 NT we forced into a 4-3DT. (square peg round hole, seems we do that a lot).

Bunkley graded out as our best D-Lineman and about middle of the NFL pack. Which is quite an accomplishment considering the players around him.

Bunkley is definitely a keeper.

hagan714 · 01-16-2013, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Bunkley graded out as our best D-Lineman and about middle of the NFL pack. Which is quite an accomplishment considering the players around him.

Bunkley is definitely a keeper.

really? wow so the blame must rest with ellis for a weak mid section of the defense.

he gets a nice bump in salary this year so i have to wonder

Danno · 01-16-2013, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

really? wow so the blame must rest with ellis for a weak mid section of the defense.

he gets a nice bump in salary this year so i have to wonder

IMO Ellis is definitley the weak link in the middle. And I think most of the gashing that was done to us was on the edges, not up the gut. That points to DE, OLB's and even CB's.

Since Jordan graded out OK that leaves Mr Smith directly in the crosshairs, then our OLB's.

All this of course depending on the accuracy of PFF grades, which I'm very skeptical of.

hagan714 · 01-18-2013, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

IMO Ellis is definitley the weak link in the middle. And I think most of the gashing that was done to us was on the edges, not up the gut. That points to DE, OLB's and even CB's.

Since Jordan graded out OK that leaves Mr Smith directly in the crosshairs, then our OLB's.

All this of course depending on the accuracy of PFF grades, which I'm very skeptical of.

Oh i agree with Ellis. I do not know what happened him in the past two years. He just seems to be playing without any fire. He is just out there.

Bunkley i was not happy with for the first 6 games. he just looked like he could be handled to easily. he was brought in to tie up two blockers and free up ellis. well that did not seem to happen. so i will go back and re watch the last 8 games he played in.

Grading things like this is really hard. i look at DT in a simple fashion.

if he gets driven to the pancake factory how many players did it take to get him through the drive thru.

Same with not collapsing the pocket

over all hustle when the play is away from them

jeanpierre · 01-18-2013, 10:43 PM

The Pass Rush needs help and Michael Johnson added to Cam Jordan, Broderick Bunckly, Akiem Hicks would make a four man rush respectable...

But FS Jarius Byrd would make the biggest difference, sliding Malcolm Jenkins to SS or RCB with fewer responsibilities and allowing him to improvise and make more plays...

We should have all linebackers back - healthy and competing...

Release the salaries of Smith, Harper, and Vilma - but I'd love to have Vilma back as a two-down LB to limit wear, stress on his degenerative knee...

But Byrd relieving Jenkins at FS would have a major impact on the worse stat of this defense - Yards after the Catch...

If money, salary cap wasn't an issue - I get Jake Long in at LT...

hagan714 · 01-20-2013, 10:15 AM

i have had a change in heart at DE i want a DE that does more than speed rush. containment IMO is the key. speed yes but bull rush like Jordan will be more important in the NFC with the new QB styles. So another Cam style DE on the other side would work

blackangold · 01-20-2013, 10:33 AM

Harper needs to go. The LBs are set, but we must have some impact-full d-line players. Here is to hoping Romeous can get healthy lol.

Hicks is our best D-line player and will have a break-out year. Put another stud DT from the draft next to him and it gets easier for Jorden and JR on the ends. (Jorden and JR should be the starters this year)

FinSaint · 01-20-2013, 10:49 AM

# 1 Byrd
# 2 Albert
# 3 Melton or Johnson

Danno · 01-20-2013, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Harper needs to go. The LBs are set,

The LB's are set? We have the worst unit of LB's in the NFL.

Why do you think the LB's are set?

01-16-2013, 08:51 AM	#21
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: The one free agent you would love to see us get Originally Posted by Danno We have close to zero money for free agents. If we sign any high priced free agent, it should be front seven IMO. Both San Fran and Seattle didn't get much pass rush this past weekend and two of the best secondaries in football looked positively ordinary. We are a year behind on d line help we should have Chandler Jones!!! This front seven first talk is hogwash, you can draft your D.line starting with Dion Jordan. you know we will have money to sign our wanted free agents back, none of which are big contracts, re-do jimmy's contract , resign bushrod for the right price and go after maybe one or two high priced guys, and that's even with us being up against it.

01-16-2013, 08:57 AM	#22
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: The one free agent you would love to see us get Originally Posted by Boutte We keep signing free agent DTs and they never pan out. What's up with that? Sean Rogers was just too far past his prime, but was a cheap gamble. Abreuo Franklin played OK, but he's a 3-4 NT we forced into a 4-3DT. (square peg round hole, seems we do that a lot). Bunkley graded out as our best D-Lineman and about middle of the NFL pack. Which is quite an accomplishment considering the players around him. Bunkley is definitely a keeper. saintsfan403 likes this.

01-16-2013, 10:28 AM	#23
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: The one free agent you would love to see us get Originally Posted by Danno Bunkley graded out as our best D-Lineman and about middle of the NFL pack. Which is quite an accomplishment considering the players around him. Bunkley is definitely a keeper. really? wow so the blame must rest with ellis for a weak mid section of the defense. he gets a nice bump in salary this year so i have to wonder

01-16-2013, 03:53 PM	#24
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: The one free agent you would love to see us get Originally Posted by hagan714 really? wow so the blame must rest with ellis for a weak mid section of the defense. he gets a nice bump in salary this year so i have to wonder IMO Ellis is definitley the weak link in the middle. And I think most of the gashing that was done to us was on the edges, not up the gut. That points to DE, OLB's and even CB's. Since Jordan graded out OK that leaves Mr Smith directly in the crosshairs, then our OLB's. All this of course depending on the accuracy of PFF grades, which I'm very skeptical of.

01-18-2013, 12:25 PM	#25
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: The one free agent you would love to see us get Originally Posted by Danno IMO Ellis is definitley the weak link in the middle. And I think most of the gashing that was done to us was on the edges, not up the gut. That points to DE, OLB's and even CB's. Since Jordan graded out OK that leaves Mr Smith directly in the crosshairs, then our OLB's. All this of course depending on the accuracy of PFF grades, which I'm very skeptical of. Oh i agree with Ellis. I do not know what happened him in the past two years. He just seems to be playing without any fire. He is just out there. Bunkley i was not happy with for the first 6 games. he just looked like he could be handled to easily. he was brought in to tie up two blockers and free up ellis. well that did not seem to happen. so i will go back and re watch the last 8 games he played in. Grading things like this is really hard. i look at DT in a simple fashion. if he gets driven to the pancake factory how many players did it take to get him through the drive thru. Same with not collapsing the pocket over all hustle when the play is away from them
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01-20-2013, 10:15 AM	#27
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: The one free agent you would love to see us get i have had a change in heart at DE i want a DE that does more than speed rush. containment IMO is the key. speed yes but bull rush like Jordan will be more important in the NFC with the new QB styles. So another Cam style DE on the other side would work

01-20-2013, 10:33 AM	#28
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: The one free agent you would love to see us get Harper needs to go. The LBs are set, but we must have some impact-full d-line players. Here is to hoping Romeous can get healthy lol. Hicks is our best D-line player and will have a break-out year. Put another stud DT from the draft next to him and it gets easier for Jorden and JR on the ends. (Jorden and JR should be the starters this year)

01-20-2013, 10:49 AM	#29
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: The one free agent you would love to see us get # 1 Byrd # 2 Albert # 3 Melton or Johnson lee909 likes this.

01-20-2013, 11:04 AM	#30
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: The one free agent you would love to see us get Originally Posted by blackangold Harper needs to go. The LBs are set, The LB's are set? We have the worst unit of LB's in the NFL. Why do you think the LB's are set?