Revis available?

FinSaint · 01-24-2013, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Above all else, this is what matters. Besides, I believe if we'd use the guys we have in a system that accommodates them rather than forcing a system that clearly doesn't, we'd be in pretty good shape and could (potentially) get better up front.

Still, good and/or talented players find ways to make plays regardless of what system they are in - so to me, placing the blame on the system for the failures of the individual players is a major cop-out.

I'm not saying Spags' system was/is ideal for the players the Saints have on their defensive roster (at the moment), but it's the NFL; you have to find ways to make plays if you are on the field and getting millions for it.

saintfan · 01-24-2013, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Still, good and/or talented players find ways to make plays regardless of what system they are in - so to me, placing the blame on the system for the failures of the individual players is a major cop-out.

I'm not saying Spags' system was/is ideal for the players the Saints have on their defensive roster (at the moment), but it's the NFL; you have to find ways to make plays if you are on the field and getting millions for it.

I don't think it's a cop-out at all. We went from not that good to the worst defense in the history of the NFL. Just too much regression for me to consider it a player issue - primarily a player issue I mean.

FinSaint · 01-24-2013, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I don't think it's a cop-out at all. We went from not that good to the worst defense in the history of the NFL. Just too much regression for me to consider it a player issue - primarily a player issue I mean.

Sure, and I do get your point, but I just think that it's about more than just the system and/or scheme. Players need to make plays, and maybe they weren't able to because of all the distracting things that went on around the franchise since last offseason, but nevertheless, I'm not willing to let them off by saying it was the system's fault.

Also, I don't think they were the worst defense in the history of the NFL - they weren't probably even the worst defense this season, because the Titans' defense was just plain awful as well. IMO, the honor of being the worst defense in the history of the league goes to the 1981 Baltimore Colts, because they allowed the most points ever in a 16 game season. To me points allowed is far more condemning than yards allowed, because you can allow as many yards as possible to the other team, but if you won't let them score on you - it's hard to lose the game.

Seer1 · 01-24-2013, 09:07 PM

He'd be an okay addition except we could never afford him.

papz · 01-24-2013, 09:11 PM

Do not want. He wants to be paid like an elite quarterback. I don't care how good he is, if I'm going to spend that type of money, it's certainly not on a corner.

atltillidie · 01-24-2013, 09:18 PM

I don't think you guys can afford him. The last time I checked, you guys were over the cap by 14 mil. Somewhere around that.

|Mitch| · 01-24-2013, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by atltillidie

I don't think you guys can afford him. The last time I checked, you guys were over the cap by 14 mil. Somewhere around that.

You forget; Loomis is a genius...

We were over the cap last year and found ways to sign 3-4 fa's including your Lofton plus sign Drew to a massive contract!

atltillidie · 01-24-2013, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

You forget; Loomis is a genius...

I guess we'll have to see what happens.

|Mitch| · 01-24-2013, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by atltillidie

I guess we'll have to see what happens.

Why don't you go worry about Failcon problems...

atltillidie · 01-24-2013, 09:38 PM

Because I'm not worried. If anything, I'm optimistic about the Falcons and what we could do next season.

01-24-2013, 01:08 PM	#11
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Revis available? Originally Posted by saintfan Above all else, this is what matters. Besides, I believe if we'd use the guys we have in a system that accommodates them rather than forcing a system that clearly doesn't, we'd be in pretty good shape and could (potentially) get better up front. Still, good and/or talented players find ways to make plays regardless of what system they are in - so to me, placing the blame on the system for the failures of the individual players is a major cop-out. I'm not saying Spags' system was/is ideal for the players the Saints have on their defensive roster (at the moment), but it's the NFL; you have to find ways to make plays if you are on the field and getting millions for it.

01-24-2013, 03:49 PM	#12
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Revis available? Originally Posted by FinSaint Still, good and/or talented players find ways to make plays regardless of what system they are in - so to me, placing the blame on the system for the failures of the individual players is a major cop-out. I'm not saying Spags' system was/is ideal for the players the Saints have on their defensive roster (at the moment), but it's the NFL; you have to find ways to make plays if you are on the field and getting millions for it. I don't think it's a cop-out at all. We went from not that good to the worst defense in the history of the NFL. Just too much regression for me to consider it a player issue - primarily a player issue I mean.

01-24-2013, 04:47 PM	#13
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Revis available? Originally Posted by saintfan I don't think it's a cop-out at all. We went from not that good to the worst defense in the history of the NFL. Just too much regression for me to consider it a player issue - primarily a player issue I mean. Sure, and I do get your point, but I just think that it's about more than just the system and/or scheme. Players need to make plays, and maybe they weren't able to because of all the distracting things that went on around the franchise since last offseason, but nevertheless, I'm not willing to let them off by saying it was the system's fault. Also, I don't think they were the worst defense in the history of the NFL - they weren't probably even the worst defense this season, because the Titans' defense was just plain awful as well. IMO, the honor of being the worst defense in the history of the league goes to the 1981 Baltimore Colts, because they allowed the most points ever in a 16 game season. To me points allowed is far more condemning than yards allowed, because you can allow as many yards as possible to the other team, but if you won't let them score on you - it's hard to lose the game.
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01-24-2013, 09:07 PM	#14
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Revis available? He'd be an okay addition except we could never afford him.

01-24-2013, 09:11 PM	#15
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Revis available? Do not want. He wants to be paid like an elite quarterback. I don't care how good he is, if I'm going to spend that type of money, it's certainly not on a corner.

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01-24-2013, 09:18 PM	#16
atltillidie 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 432	Re: Revis available? I don't think you guys can afford him. The last time I checked, you guys were over the cap by 14 mil. Somewhere around that.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Revis available? Originally Posted by atltillidie I don't think you guys can afford him. The last time I checked, you guys were over the cap by 14 mil. Somewhere around that. You forget; Loomis is a genius... We were over the cap last year and found ways to sign 3-4 fa's including your Lofton plus sign Drew to a massive contract!
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01-24-2013, 09:22 PM	#18
atltillidie 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 432	Re: Revis available? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| You forget; Loomis is a genius... I guess we'll have to see what happens.

01-24-2013, 09:24 PM	#19
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Revis available? Originally Posted by atltillidie I guess we'll have to see what happens. Why don't you go worry about Failcon problems...

01-24-2013, 09:38 PM	#20
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