Saints to a 3-4???

Danno · 01-25-2013, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Can Ingram play linebacker?

Probably not.

hagan714 · 01-25-2013, 03:57 PM

this will interesting to watch as it unfolds and can not be as painful as last year. i hope

FinSaint · 01-25-2013, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Why CB's? Our CB's are better suited for man coverage anyway. Even Johnny Patrick may surprise some people. OK, maybe thats a stretch.

IDK, I've seen flashes of really good play from him from time to time, although they've been far and few between, and with the right secondary coaching he could become a good nickel CB.

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan

I think Marquis Johnson will surprise people.

Why? I think he might follow Spags and/or Flajole to where ever they land, since if you recall, the Saints paid him off after he was injured and went on the IR, so the Saints don't have a contract with him.

vpheughan · 01-25-2013, 05:45 PM

We had a great 3 - 4 once. We don't have anyone close to Jackson, Swilling,Mills and Johnson. Next year will be interesting.

hagan714 · 01-25-2013, 05:49 PM

cb will be an issue. to play a 34 defense you need cb that hit. well i would not call the group we got now a bunch of hitters. white is the only one that jumps out at me that fits the mold

vpheughan · 01-25-2013, 05:52 PM

Stating we are going to the 3-4 does not mean anything. It is a lot like stating and we will have a pounding ground game. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Wait, this is the internet and we all know you can't say it unless it's true, Bonjour!!!!

Danno · 01-25-2013, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

cb will be an issue. to play a 34 defense you need cb that hit. well i would not call the group we got now a bunch of hitters. white is the only one that jumps out at me that fits the mold

Where did you hear that? I don't think it requires our CB's to hit any more so than a 4-3.

I've read 3-4 defenses typically use man CB's who's main responsibility is to shadow receivers.

From the 3-4 article I posted earlier...

Secondary Responsibilities
The secondary is lined up in a very traditional role. The scheme calls for man cover corners, whose role is to not press and bump, but rather just stick with their man. They are also expected to be ready for underneath routes and make plays on the ball.

The Safeties also run in a traditional role.
The Free Safety covers the deep third, while the Strong Safety will normally cover the underneath routes in either man or zone and come up to the box quite a bit if they are expecting a run.

There is not too much blitzing out of the secondary in this scheme either. The Ideal players for this scheme based on the roles in the 2011 draft:

Phillips #1 CB - Patrick Peterson, played CB at Louisiana State University

Phillips #2 CB - Prince Amukamura, played CB at the University of Wisconsin

Phillips Free Safety - Aaron Williams, played CB at the University of Texas

Phillips Strong Safety - Rahim Moore, played FS at the University of California-Los Angeles

W. Kovacs · 01-25-2013, 06:49 PM

3-4 will be the wave of the future (not that it is unpopular now, per se) with the new trend of mobile QBs. You need more guys on the field that can spy the QB and move to the ball without getting lost in the back field on over pursuits.

The 3-4 puts more players on the field with speed and flexibility. You can even have a speedy LB drop into coverage and have CBs blitz without it being a huge risk.

I was raised a Steelers fan and the best days were with Lloyd, Greene, and Woodson. Those guys could rush the QB but also confuse the heck out of an offense because they were so versatile you didn't know where they were coming from.

With our current Defensive staff, a draft heavy at LB (from what I hear...I'm not an expert by any means), and Cam and Kaepernick on our schedule next year this could be a great, GREAT move for us.

Rugby Saint II · 01-25-2013, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Where did you hear that? I don't think it requires our CB's to hit any more so than a 4-3.

I've read 3-4 defenses typically use man CB's who's main responsibility is to shadow receivers.

From the 3-4 article I posted earlier...

Thanks for sharing Danno! Two Thumbs up.

hagan714 · 01-26-2013, 08:00 AM

yes i understand that point on the cb danno and i agree with the basic point it made. But I have to watch 34 here in new england and listen the bill and all the sports commentators tackling is a major key that the saints will need to address with secondary. NE has been trying to address this issue year in and year out over the past few years

In pass defense they are as the article pointed out "just stick with their man", which has been an issue its self, will require read and react skills that i have seen little of against the run. If a runner gets pass the corner containment he will ripe of a nice run. Safeties are not playing to support the CB as they do in 43. Run support is a bigger issue due to the fact the 34 olb are almost always crashing the corners in containment

While tackling is not pointed out in the basic idea of the 34 when it comes to the finer points of the 34 it is right there at top. the secondary players are on there own most of the time and when they screw up it hurts big time.

seattle has the type of CB play we need out of our CB. To be honest the secondary hitting does not scare anyone

White is the best hitting corner on the team. that is the type of play you need out of your corners in 34. He reacts quickly and goes in for the tackle. He sticks the runner and tackles. Thats what you need out of CB

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints to a 3-4??? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Can Ingram play linebacker? Probably not.

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01-25-2013, 05:28 PM	#73
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: 3-4 brilliant, but selfish!!!! Originally Posted by Danno Why CB's? Our CB's are better suited for man coverage anyway. Even Johnny Patrick may surprise some people. OK, maybe thats a stretch. IDK, I've seen flashes of really good play from him from time to time, although they've been far and few between, and with the right secondary coaching he could become a good nickel CB. Originally Posted by lsutigerfan I think Marquis Johnson will surprise people. Why? I think he might follow Spags and/or Flajole to where ever they land, since if you recall, the Saints paid him off after he was injured and went on the IR, so the Saints don't have a contract with him.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints to a 3-4??? Originally Posted by hagan714 cb will be an issue. to play a 34 defense you need cb that hit. well i would not call the group we got now a bunch of hitters. white is the only one that jumps out at me that fits the mold Where did you hear that? I don't think it requires our CB's to hit any more so than a 4-3. I've read 3-4 defenses typically use man CB's who's main responsibility is to shadow receivers. From the 3-4 article I posted earlier... Secondary Responsibilities The secondary is lined up in a very traditional role. The scheme calls for man cover corners, whose role is to not press and bump, but rather just stick with their man. They are also expected to be ready for underneath routes and make plays on the ball. The Safeties also run in a traditional role. The Free Safety covers the deep third, while the Strong Safety will normally cover the underneath routes in either man or zone and come up to the box quite a bit if they are expecting a run. There is not too much blitzing out of the secondary in this scheme either. The Ideal players for this scheme based on the roles in the 2011 draft: Phillips #1 CB - Patrick Peterson, played CB at Louisiana State University Phillips #2 CB - Prince Amukamura, played CB at the University of Wisconsin Phillips Free Safety - Aaron Williams, played CB at the University of Texas Phillips Strong Safety - Rahim Moore, played FS at the University of California-Los Angeles Rugby Saint II likes this.

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W. Kovacs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 514	Re: Saints to a 3-4??? 3-4 will be the wave of the future (not that it is unpopular now, per se) with the new trend of mobile QBs. You need more guys on the field that can spy the QB and move to the ball without getting lost in the back field on over pursuits. The 3-4 puts more players on the field with speed and flexibility. You can even have a speedy LB drop into coverage and have CBs blitz without it being a huge risk. I was raised a Steelers fan and the best days were with Lloyd, Greene, and Woodson. Those guys could rush the QB but also confuse the heck out of an offense because they were so versatile you didn't know where they were coming from. With our current Defensive staff, a draft heavy at LB (from what I hear...I'm not an expert by any means), and Cam and Kaepernick on our schedule next year this could be a great, GREAT move for us.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints to a 3-4??? Originally Posted by Danno Where did you hear that? I don't think it requires our CB's to hit any more so than a 4-3. I've read 3-4 defenses typically use man CB's who's main responsibility is to shadow receivers. From the 3-4 article I posted earlier... Thanks for sharing Danno! Two Thumbs up.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints to a 3-4??? yes i understand that point on the cb danno and i agree with the basic point it made. But I have to watch 34 here in new england and listen the bill and all the sports commentators tackling is a major key that the saints will need to address with secondary. NE has been trying to address this issue year in and year out over the past few years In pass defense they are as the article pointed out "just stick with their man", which has been an issue its self, will require read and react skills that i have seen little of against the run. If a runner gets pass the corner containment he will ripe of a nice run. Safeties are not playing to support the CB as they do in 43. Run support is a bigger issue due to the fact the 34 olb are almost always crashing the corners in containment While tackling is not pointed out in the basic idea of the 34 when it comes to the finer points of the 34 it is right there at top. the secondary players are on there own most of the time and when they screw up it hurts big time. seattle has the type of CB play we need out of our CB. To be honest the secondary hitting does not scare anyone White is the best hitting corner on the team. that is the type of play you need out of your corners in 34. He reacts quickly and goes in for the tackle. He sticks the runner and tackles. Thats what you need out of CB
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