Our CB's

jjasso007 · 02-09-2013, 03:26 PM

I'm further questioning whether it wasn't the scheme that was the problem. Under Gregg Williams, we blitzed heavily and relied on our DB's to play mostly man coverage. Under Spagnuolo, we were more of a zone team. And considering PRob had a better 2011, in terms of QB's passing against him, opposed to 2012, I'm leaning more towards it being scheme based.

On another note, yes, a pass rush would surely help our DB's out. Martez Wilson is built for a 3-4 scheme, and it we do bring in Anthony Spencer or draft Dion Jordan or a rush LB in the first round, we should be improving our pass rush significantly.

Danno · 02-09-2013, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by jjasso007

I'm further questioning whether it wasn't the scheme that was the problem. Under Gregg Williams, we blitzed heavily and relied on our DB's to play mostly man coverage. Under Spagnuolo, we were more of a zone team. And considering PRob had a better 2011, in terms of QB's passing against him, opposed to 2012, I'm leaning more towards it being scheme based.

On another note, yes, a pass rush would surely help our DB's out. Martez Wilson is built for a 3-4 scheme, and it we do bring in Anthony Spencer or draft Dion Jordan or a rush LB in the first round, we should be improving our pass rush significantly.

Agreed. I think our CB's are much better suited for man coverage, but either scheme will get roasted without a pass rush. We haven't had a good pass rush team in years.

In my opinion thats why its foolish to judge how good or bad DB's are if your pass rush (and LB's) absolutely sucks.

jjasso007 · 02-09-2013, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

last year i was shocked by the white pick in the draft. now i really like the kid and see a bright future for him. sure coverage skills need development but that was to be expected coming from a small school.

What i like is he is not afraid to tackle. he sticks the ball carrier. thats what we need more of. enough of these fineness players.

Saints need to get bigger and nastier.

I like Corey White, he puts his nose in there and gives maximum effort. But he was pretty much pwned last year by opposing QB's.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...d-cornerbacks/

As of this article's posting, he was targeted 33 times, giving up 26 completions (78.8%), 372 yards and # TD's. I believe he got hurt a couple games after this was published, so it'd be interesting to know how he faired in the games prior to injury. But he was a rookie and learning the NFL game. I'm excited to see how he progresses.

K Major · 02-09-2013, 03:34 PM

Its foolish to think this guy can play corner. He wouldn't see the field on most other NFL defensive rosters.

jjasso007 · 02-09-2013, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

And he was progressing quite nicely until we switched to zone. He looked on pace to surpass Greer.

Yeah, our DB's aren't meant for zone play. They do better in man-to-man coverage.

Danno · 02-09-2013, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by jjasso007

I like Corey White, he puts his nose in there and gives maximum effort. But he was pretty much pwned last year by opposing QB's.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...d-cornerbacks/

As of this article's posting, he was targeted 33 times, giving up 26 completions (78.8%), 372 yards and # TD's. I believe he got hurt a couple games after this was published, so it'd be interesting to know how he faired in the games prior to injury. But he was a rookie and learning the NFL game. I'm excited to see how he progresses.

Me too. In a perfect world White would have seen the field only in dime situations and occasional spot duty while he progressed.

Injuries forced him into a starting role from day 1.

He was a raw small school rookie thrown into the fire much sooner than he ever should have been.

I think we'll see huge improvement from the guy in 2013.

BTW: Welcome aboard.

Danno · 02-09-2013, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Its foolish to think this guy can play corner. He wouldn't see the field on most other NFL defensive rosters.

Neither would 90% of all raw small school rookie CB's.

It would be much more foolish to suggest that its foolish to think he can play CB.

He was progessing nicely (even for a raw rookie) before he got hurt.

Seer1 · 02-09-2013, 03:44 PM

Deion couldn't hit either. The only thing that made PRob look good at all was Jenkins running in from wherever he happened to be scratching himself in yet another of Spags' schemeless packages and making the tackle.

jjasso007 · 02-09-2013, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Me too. In a perfect world White would have seen the field only in dime situations and occasional spot duty while he progressed.

Injuries forced him into a starting role from day 1.

He was a raw small school rookie thrown into the fire much sooner than he ever should have been.

I think we'll see huge improvement from the guy in 2013.

BTW: Welcome aboard.

One thing I really like about White is, he is from a small school program but has a big chip on his shoulder and wants to be good. He's here to put in work and be the best football player he can be. Have to respect a man like that.

BTW, thanks for the welcome!

Danno · 02-09-2013, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by jjasso007

One thing I really like about White is, he is from a small school program but has a big chip on his shoulder and wants to be good. He's here to put in work and be the best football player he can be. Have to respect a man like that.

BTW, thanks for the welcome!

Gotta ask,
where did jjasso007 come from and what does it mean?

02-09-2013, 03:26 PM	#11
jjasso007 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 187	Re: Our CB's I'm further questioning whether it wasn't the scheme that was the problem. Under Gregg Williams, we blitzed heavily and relied on our DB's to play mostly man coverage. Under Spagnuolo, we were more of a zone team. And considering PRob had a better 2011, in terms of QB's passing against him, opposed to 2012, I'm leaning more towards it being scheme based. On another note, yes, a pass rush would surely help our DB's out. Martez Wilson is built for a 3-4 scheme, and it we do bring in Anthony Spencer or draft Dion Jordan or a rush LB in the first round, we should be improving our pass rush significantly. Danno likes this.

02-09-2013, 03:31 PM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Our CB's Originally Posted by jjasso007 I'm further questioning whether it wasn't the scheme that was the problem. Under Gregg Williams, we blitzed heavily and relied on our DB's to play mostly man coverage. Under Spagnuolo, we were more of a zone team. And considering PRob had a better 2011, in terms of QB's passing against him, opposed to 2012, I'm leaning more towards it being scheme based. On another note, yes, a pass rush would surely help our DB's out. Martez Wilson is built for a 3-4 scheme, and it we do bring in Anthony Spencer or draft Dion Jordan or a rush LB in the first round, we should be improving our pass rush significantly. Agreed. I think our CB's are much better suited for man coverage, but either scheme will get roasted without a pass rush. We haven't had a good pass rush team in years. In my opinion thats why its foolish to judge how good or bad DB's are if your pass rush (and LB's) absolutely sucks. aquaboogie likes this.

02-09-2013, 03:33 PM	#13
jjasso007 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 187	Re: Our CB's Originally Posted by hagan714 last year i was shocked by the white pick in the draft. now i really like the kid and see a bright future for him. sure coverage skills need development but that was to be expected coming from a small school. What i like is he is not afraid to tackle. he sticks the ball carrier. thats what we need more of. enough of these fineness players. Saints need to get bigger and nastier. I like Corey White, he puts his nose in there and gives maximum effort. But he was pretty much pwned last year by opposing QB's. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...d-cornerbacks/ As of this article's posting, he was targeted 33 times, giving up 26 completions (78.8%), 372 yards and # TD's. I believe he got hurt a couple games after this was published, so it'd be interesting to know how he faired in the games prior to injury. But he was a rookie and learning the NFL game. I'm excited to see how he progresses.

02-09-2013, 03:34 PM	#14
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Our CB's Its foolish to think this guy can play corner. He wouldn't see the field on most other NFL defensive rosters.

02-09-2013, 03:35 PM	#15
jjasso007 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 187	Re: Our CB's Originally Posted by Danno And he was progressing quite nicely until we switched to zone. He looked on pace to surpass Greer. Yeah, our DB's aren't meant for zone play. They do better in man-to-man coverage.

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02-09-2013, 03:40 PM	#16
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Our CB's Originally Posted by jjasso007 I like Corey White, he puts his nose in there and gives maximum effort. But he was pretty much pwned last year by opposing QB's. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...d-cornerbacks/ As of this article's posting, he was targeted 33 times, giving up 26 completions (78.8%), 372 yards and # TD's. I believe he got hurt a couple games after this was published, so it'd be interesting to know how he faired in the games prior to injury. But he was a rookie and learning the NFL game. I'm excited to see how he progresses. Me too. In a perfect world White would have seen the field only in dime situations and occasional spot duty while he progressed. Injuries forced him into a starting role from day 1. He was a raw small school rookie thrown into the fire much sooner than he ever should have been. I think we'll see huge improvement from the guy in 2013. BTW: Welcome aboard. Rell&Gold likes this.

02-09-2013, 03:43 PM	#17
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Our CB's Originally Posted by K Major Its foolish to think this guy can play corner. He wouldn't see the field on most other NFL defensive rosters. Neither would 90% of all raw small school rookie CB's. It would be much more foolish to suggest that its foolish to think he can play CB. He was progessing nicely (even for a raw rookie) before he got hurt.

02-09-2013, 03:44 PM	#18
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Our CB's Deion couldn't hit either. The only thing that made PRob look good at all was Jenkins running in from wherever he happened to be scratching himself in yet another of Spags' schemeless packages and making the tackle.

02-09-2013, 05:09 PM	#19
jjasso007 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 187	Re: Our CB's Originally Posted by Danno Me too. In a perfect world White would have seen the field only in dime situations and occasional spot duty while he progressed. Injuries forced him into a starting role from day 1. He was a raw small school rookie thrown into the fire much sooner than he ever should have been. I think we'll see huge improvement from the guy in 2013. BTW: Welcome aboard. One thing I really like about White is, he is from a small school program but has a big chip on his shoulder and wants to be good. He's here to put in work and be the best football player he can be. Have to respect a man like that. BTW, thanks for the welcome!

02-09-2013, 05:14 PM	#20
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Our CB's Originally Posted by jjasso007 One thing I really like about White is, he is from a small school program but has a big chip on his shoulder and wants to be good. He's here to put in work and be the best football player he can be. Have to respect a man like that. BTW, thanks for the welcome! Gotta ask, where did jjasso007 come from and what does it mean?

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