Danno

Agreed. I think our CB's are much better suited for man coverage, but either scheme will get roasted without a pass rush. We haven't had a good pass rush team in years.

In my opinion thats why its foolish to judge how good or bad DB's are if your pass rush (and LB's) absolutely sucks.

K Major

Its foolish to think this guy can play corner. He wouldn't see the field on most other NFL defensive rosters.

Danno

Neither would 90% of all raw small school rookie CB's.

It would be much more foolish to suggest that its foolish to think he can play CB.

He was progessing nicely (even for a raw rookie) before he got hurt.

Seer1

Deion couldn't hit either. The only thing that made PRob look good at all was Jenkins running in from wherever he happened to be scratching himself in yet another of Spags' schemeless packages and making the tackle.

papz

You could see how White struggled so much at the beginning of the year. He was a small school prospect that was thrown into the fire immediately. It works for some guys but others need time to develop and get acclimated with the speed of the NFL. I honestly believe we have something with White. He started playing a little better towards midseason and I think with more experience, he can become an average/solid corner in this league.

What impress me about White is the fact he looks the part. Physically it's all there. He's big, strong, and fast. If you lined White up with the top 10 corner backs in the league, he looks above average as he easily passes the eye ball test. I'm intrigued into what kind of player we can mold him into.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

All little common sense goes a long way.

Luda34

I thing he gets beat so much is small for the big receivers in our divison and theres no pressure up front and receivers have to much time get open.

burningmetal

I don't buy into the idea that these guys sucked because of the system. If they had any clue how to play decent defense, they would have adjusted. I'm on record as saying Spags' didn't do a good enough job himself, but there's no way I'm giving anyone a pass based on schematic issues. Not when you're the worst defense ever.

FinSaint

Robinson is still under contract for the next two seasons with $2.3M and $2.4M cap hits respectively, so I would give him those two seasons to prove that he can be a starting CB in this league and live up to his 1st round status. Robinson clearly has potential and talent, but he needs the right person to work with him on some of his fundamentals in order to become a more complete CB - it'll be interesting to see who Ryan brings in to replace Flajole as the new secondary coach, and if that person can be that teacher and a mentor to Robinson.

I'm very hopeful that White will become a solid contributor in the Saints' backfield, and I think he did pretty well for an unpolished rookie until he got hurt. What's intriguing about White is that most scouts projected him to be a SS in the NFL - he was designated as a S in the draft - because he approaches the game and situations on the field more like a safety would than corner. Anyway, he needs a good coach to elevate his game, and a lot again depends on who will become the next secondary coach along with how well Andre Curtis can coach him up.

I'd also give Johnny Patrick the two seasons he still has left on his contract to show what he can do for the Saints, but I'm not as hopeful about him as I am about both Robinson and White. I really thought that the move to a zone coverage scheme would help his play, but unfortunately for some reason that wasn't to be. IMO, Patrick isn't a man coverage CB, because he doesn't have the speed or mobility to blanket WRs in man coverage situations. He is also a fairly bad tackler, both technique- and attitude-wise, which is somewhat surprising as he is kind of muscular/strong looking for his size. I doubt he'll ever become anything more than a nickel or a dime CB, but again with the right coaching he can always surprise us all.


And like many of you before me, I do blame the non-existent front 4 pass rush for many of the ills of the Saints backfield, so with improvement on the pass rush - the ratings on the Saints' corners and safeties should sore.

Still, I'd like to add a 6-1 or 6-2 tall corner to the mix, who could really fight for those jump balls with the "Vincent Jacksons" of the league.

"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

K Major

I'm certain Rob Ryan will evaluate Pat Robinson & Johnny P much like he did while in Dallas with Terance Newman (over paid), Mike Jenkins & Orlando Scandrick....after careful evaluation he put Newman on the first train smoking to Cincy and the other two didn't see much playing time by week 5. We don't have two, three seasons for an 'experiment' at cornerback facing the likes of Roddy White, Julio J., Dez Bryant, Vincent Jackson & Vernon Davis of the world.

With all of those elite WR's in the NFC, at least delusional coach JJones knew that he had to upgrade at corner Brandon Carr (FA) & Morris Claiborne in the draft. I will be surprised if Patrick Rob is starting by week 8.

lumm0x

Robinson's tackling, or should I say wiffing will have him out of a starting role pretty quick. CB's in the 46 have to be great tacklers above all else.