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saintsfan1976 02-09-2013 08:31 AM

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The New Orleans Saints have hired former Cowboys coordinator Rob Ryan as their new defensive coordinator to replace the fired Steve Spagnuolo, according to a league source. The team should officially announce the hiring on Saturday.

Saints Coach Sean Payton interviewed Ryan for the job on Friday in New Orleans. Payton also interviewed Georgia defensive coordinator Todd Grantham for the position Thursday.

The Saints have also hired Stan Kwan as their new assistant special teams coach.

New Orleans Saints hire Rob Ryan as their new defensive coordinator, source says | NOLA.com

papz 02-09-2013 08:32 AM

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Saints hired Rob Ryan as their new defensive coordinator.

Ryan's name first appeared on the Saints' DC radar as a potential candidate earlier this week after he had briefly flirted with DC vacancy. Ryan faces the tall task of turning around the league's 32nd ranked defense in 2012. The Saints will transition to a 3-4 under Ryan, and will almost certainly have to revamp their front-seven personelle to fit the system change.

Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter

saintsfan1976 02-09-2013 08:33 AM

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Let's face it.

Ryan did a good job in 2 years at Dallas despite challenges.

I like hiring a coach with a lot left to prove.

From players to coaches - This is Payton's M.O.

Garry42 02-09-2013 08:38 AM

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I hope this works out, but I'm not convinced that Ryan is the answer to fixing the Defense. I will be happy to be proven wrong though....

aquaboogie 02-09-2013 08:41 AM

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Well anyone think he will make us worse than last year? Lets hope he does an outstanding job. GW and Spags were highly regarded and did not work out. Maybe its the players and not the coaching.

Danno 02-09-2013 08:44 AM

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Its all gonna depend on his staff and the new talent we acquire.

saintsfan1976 02-09-2013 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 478652)
Its all gonna depend on his staff and the new talent we acquire.

Really though, are we that many players away from a top 15 D? I believe 3-4 moves to the front seven could be enough. NT being the most glaring need.

On O, we need O line depth (potential starting LT) and healthy WR's.

K Major 02-09-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by aquaboogie (Post 478651)
Well anyone think he will make us worse than last year? Lets hope he does an outstanding job. GW and Spags were highly regarded and did not work out. Maybe its the players and not the coaching.

Ya think?

saintsfan1976 02-09-2013 08:53 AM

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The Saints had mixed in some 3-4 looks and appear to have the personnel to make the switch.

2011 first-round pick Cameron Jordan played in a 3-4 defense at Cal and would make a good "5" technique end. Veteran Brodrick Bunkley played nose tackle during his brief stint with the Denver Broncos and could play the nose if the team is unable to re-sign Sedrick Ellis, who is an unrestricted free agent this offseason. 2012 third-round pick Akiem Hicks is 6-foot-5 and 318 pounds and could play multiple spots in a 3-4 front and 2011 third-round pick Martez Wilson has been miscast as a 4-3 defensive end and could benefit by a move to rush linebacker in the new system.

Not all of the current Saints will fit in with the new defense. Veteran defensive end Will Smith is 6-foot-3 and 282 pounds and is better suited to play in a 4-3. Smith will turn 32 before training camp and the move to a 3-4, along with his hefty contract ($10.15 million due in cash, $14.541 million cap number), could hasten his exit from New Orleans.

Ryan had been closely linked to the position, but was not the only candidate. University of Georgia defensive coordinator Todd Grantham interviewed for the position before withdrawing his name from consideration on Friday.

The son of Buddy Ryan, and the twin brother of New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan, Rob Ryan has been defensive coordinator with the Oakland Raiders (2004-08), Cleveland Browns (2009-10) and Dallas Cowboys. Under Ryan, the Cowboys ranked 14th in total defense in 2011 and were 19th during a 2012 season where several key players - Jay Ratliff, DeMarcus Ware and Sean Lee - had injury-plagued seasons. Cowboys outside linebacker Anthony Spencer blossomed under Ryan, posting a career-high 11 sacks in 2012. Spencer is an unrestricted free agent and could be an option for the Saints if he hits the open market on March 12.
Y! SPORTS

saintsfan1976 02-09-2013 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by aquaboogie (Post 478651)
Well anyone think he will make us worse than last year? Lets hope he does an outstanding job. GW and Spags were highly regarded and did not work out. Maybe its the players and not the coaching.

There is no worse than last year.

Bright side - we have champions on this roster with a chip on their shoulders.

saintsfan1976 02-09-2013 09:00 AM

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Good quote from a Cowboys fan regarding the termination of Ryan:

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Rob Ryan wasn't the problem. You have 5 injuries to important members of the defense. So why was the Cowboys special team left to have Dez Bryant receiving punts, fumbling onside kicks and being on the receiving end of block punts?
Defense held the Giants to 17 points and Atlanta (scored 23 - 40 points in the weeks prior) to 19 points (4 field goals from 32 - 45 yard line and 1 run TD). Cowboys lost by less than 6 points all season except the Chicago and Seattle games. Romo throws 5 interceptions to Chicago and lets not mention the offense vs. Seattle. Both Washington loses were from offensive turnovers that resulted in interceptions and onside kick TD in the last 3 minutes of the game.
What can you say when Jerry Jones refers to the team as "We" and then all decisions with "I". Where is the accountability for the head coach with his famous quote of "IT'S A PROCESS". Cowboys don't do well in pressure situations (includes and most importantly game winning scoring drive in the last 2 minutes of the game) so why make a hasty decision in firing Rob Ryan just to prove that you are the GM/Owner. We already know that....and look what we have to put up with for the last decade.

alleycat_126 02-09-2013 09:08 AM

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I'll be happy to be proved wrong but this is Greg Williams again

TheOak 02-09-2013 09:12 AM

Fine....... Can he at least get a haircut if I have to look at him?

saintsfan1976 02-09-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 478660)
I'll be happy to be proved wrong but this is Greg Williams again

I disagree. Bravado yes, but not sadistic.

Check out this read:

Rob Ryan's bold moves help lead to victory

aquaboogie 02-09-2013 09:14 AM

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Brees is the playmaker on offense. who is the playmaker on D. There is a need to have that one disruptive player to go along with solid players to make a difference. We have not had that since Sharper. God forbid, Brees goes down, and our O will suck as bad as our D. Now How do we fix this without any $$$ to spend. The better players are going to be Tagged $$$$$$ and you never no what you are going to get via draft. We have tried to fix our D bringing in players that were done or cheap, and expected them to be coached up. The better Defenses have good coaching and more importantly Good players.

Jamessr 02-09-2013 09:16 AM

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I can honestly say I feel bette about Ryan than Spags. I told a Dallas buddy at work that wasa good move for him when they hired Ryan. I still think he done ok for what he had. Aything we get is an improvement and with our offense we're a contender

halloween 65 02-09-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 478653)
Really though, are we that many players away from a top 15 D? I believe 3-4 moves to the front seven could be enough. NT being the most glaring need.

On O, we need O line depth (potential starting LT) and healthy WR's.

I agree 100%, NT is now our most glaring need and our O has been on the back burner for a while now, I think Payton could find a WR in his sleep. I believe that Wilson and Gallett will be the best starting lbs. in the league if Ryan sticks them there, I would like to draft at least 1 inside lb. in the draft.

K Major 02-09-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 478665)
I agree 100%, NT is now our most glaring need and our O has been on the back burner for a while now, I think Payton could find a WR in his sleep. I believe that Wilson and Gallett will be the best starting lbs. in the league if Ryan sticks them there, I would like to draft at least 1 inside lb. in the draft.

Spaggs had me scratching my head with not allowing Wilson to get more involved in his playbook. I really think Ryan will utilize this guy to his real potential. Everytime I think of Wilson, I recall him running down Ponder half way across the field and introducing Cam Newton to the turf.

I'm excited about this year !!!

Danno 02-09-2013 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 478665)
I agree 100%, NT is now our most glaring need

Definitely so now. Ryan prefers the 2-gap 3-4 which requires the "fat-bastarrd" in the middle. Bunkley can play it but I don't think he can man the position all game long. He'll excell as part of a 2 or 3 man rotation at DT.

I don't think we have another run stuffin fat boy on the team. It would be a waste to play Hicks there when I think he could flat dominate at DE in a 3-4.

I think DT just moved up the priority list pretty significantly.

saintsfan1976 02-09-2013 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by aquaboogie (Post 478663)
Brees is the playmaker on offense. who is the playmaker on D. There is a need to have that one disruptive player to go along with solid players to make a difference. We have not had that since Sharper. God forbid, Brees goes down, and our O will suck as bad as our D. Now How do we fix this without any $$$ to spend. The better players are going to be Tagged $$$$$$ and you never no what you are going to get via draft. We have tried to fix our D bringing in players that were done or cheap, and expected them to be coached up. The better Defenses have good coaching and more importantly Good players.

It's partly players, but it's mostly how you use them.

Spags was not playing the defense to it's strengths.

Someone here said it best - Square peg, round hole.

Seer1 02-09-2013 09:24 AM

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If Ryan's hair is your biggest concern then we're gonna have a pretty good season coming up.

Who is Stan Kwan and why couldn't he have just replaced McMahon?

saintsfan1976 02-09-2013 09:26 AM

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I think DT just moved up the priority list pretty significantly.

Wonder if Payton grilled Grantham about Jonathan Jenkins?

Danno 02-09-2013 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 478671)
If Ryan's hair is your biggest concern then we're gonna have a pretty good season coming up.

Who is Stan Kwan and why couldn't he have just replaced McMahon?

Good question. I think McMahon may be a better organizer, film reviewer, X's and O's type coach, but wanted that "teacher" type to help with the fundamentals.

Reminds me of when we signed Fred McAffee. He became a player/coach on our special teams and we got better almost overnight.

Kwan is probably a good teacher.

TheOak 02-09-2013 09:31 AM

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Definitely so now. Ryan prefers the 2-gap 3-4 which requires the "fat-bastarrd" in the middle. Bunkley can play it but I don't think he can man the position all game long. He'll excell as part of a 2 or 3 man rotation at DT.

I don't think we have another run stuffin fat boy on the team. It would be a waste to play Hicks there when I think he could flat dominate at DE in a 3-4.

I think DT just moved up the priority list pretty significantly.

I heard Jamarcus Russell wanted back in the NFL.

TheOak 02-09-2013 09:38 AM

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Stan Kwan

http://www.buffalobills.com/team/coa...7-de2fc17109ef

From his meeting with Payton
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Seer1 02-09-2013 09:43 AM

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"In (Kwan's) second stint with the Lions from 2004-09, Detroit’s special teams unit blocked 16 kicks, ranking as the second-most in the NFL over the six-year time span." That right there's giving me a warm fuzzy>

saintsfan1976 02-09-2013 09:43 AM

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Stan Kwan to his players; "Ooooooh, you want to SLACK on ME!!??"

FinSaint 02-09-2013 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 478669)
Definitely so now. Ryan prefers the 2-gap 3-4 which requires the "fat-bastarrd" in the middle. Bunkley can play it but I don't think he can man the position all game long. He'll excell as part of a 2 or 3 man rotation at DT.

I don't think we have another run stuffin fat boy on the team. It would be a waste to play Hicks there when I think he could flat dominate at DE in a 3-4.

I think DT just moved up the priority list pretty significantly.


Well, Terrance Knighton is about the size of Jay Ratliff - a little shorter, but somewhat heavier - and best of all he could probably be had for the vet minimum or very close to it even though he is only 26.

Jay Ratliff, 6-4 & 303 lbs
Terrance Knighton, 6-3, 330 lbs


Oh, and even though Ryan wasn't my favorite for the job, I'm glad they hired someone finally, and he'll have something to prove after how things went down in Dallas.

halloween 65 02-09-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 478691)
Well, Terrance Knighton is about the size of Jay Ratliff - a little shorter, but somewhat heavier - and best of all he could probably be had for the vet minimum or very close to it even though he is only 26.

Jay Ratliff, 6-4 & 303 lbs
Terrance Knighton, 6-3, 330 lbs


Oh, and even though Ryan wasn't my favorite for the job, I'm glad they hired someone finally, and he'll have something to prove after how things went down in Dallas.

I like Knighton, he's not bad.

saintsfan1976 02-09-2013 09:59 AM

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I've read NT's ideally are around 6'2" and 325lbs.

I could see us drafting Jenkins from UGA at 15.

FinSaint 02-09-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 478693)
I've read NT's ideally are around 6'2" and 325lbs.

I could see us drafting Jenkins from UGA at 15.


I've read that the ideal size for a 2-gap 3-4 NT is around 6-4 and 325 lbs, but I guess it's about more than just the numbers on a paper. ;-)

Knighton would be a nice pick up for depth at least, especially at the vet minimum he was getting from JAX under his last contract.

Marlboro Man 02-09-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 478657)
There is no worse than last year.

Bright side - we have champions on this roster with a chip on their shoulders.

Well, chanmpions with chips on their shoulders last year didn't do squat. Just saying. Like I've been saying, "TALK IS CHEAP". Seems like I heard a lot of talk out of the Saints last year and that includes Drew Brees, and they stunk it up out on the field on Sunday's, so I don't want to hear it. I'm more of a shut up and show me kinda guy.

Looking at our team, I can see Martez Wilson taking that Pat Swilling, Renaldo Turnbull position. I can see Hicks and Bunkley at the nose, Cam Jordan at RDE and a draft pick at LDE. I can see Galette at Ricky Jackson's old spot backed up by Cassillas. Lofton, I can see at Vaughn Johnsons old spot with Vilma taking Sam Mills old spot. That's not a bad defense on paper. Move Jenkins to SS, Quddus to FS and we're starting to look pretty good on defense. We need to draft a top CB in this draft that's big, like 6'1" or 6'2" and get Robinson outta there. He's just terrible and I've been saying it for 2 years. Greer is still serviceable but if we can get 2 CB's in this draft we'd have one to push Greer and groom for the future. While we're getting our young CB's up to speed, we need to have that pass rush to help them out. With this lineup, I think we can do it. :bng:

SaintnDE 02-09-2013 10:09 AM

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not thrilled, but nothing can be worse than last years.

i was thrilled with Sprags as a hire, so maybe this will be the reverse phsyco (pun intended) that i need.

mutineer10 02-09-2013 10:10 AM

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I'm pretty happy with the Rex Ryan hire. He's as good a DC as was available to us, considering the 3-4 move. Hard to deny his passion, and he's got plenty of NFL coaching experience.

Let's face it, there's gonna be some growing pains. But if we can afford to bring in the talent required, and give him a little time and patience, I think this could be a great hire.

SmashMouth 02-09-2013 10:13 AM

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Can Ryan be the first player coach... he is big enough for NT?

halloween 65 02-09-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 478693)
I've read NT's ideally are around 6'2" and 325lbs.

I could see us drafting Jenkins from UGA at 15.

Makes me wonder why the Georgia coach was brought in for the DC position, Georgia has 2 NT in this years draft and both are big , good possibility we shore the line up with a Georgia pick, I could live with that!!

lumm0x 02-09-2013 10:26 AM

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Well we all know who it's gonna be now we just have to fill in the holes in positional coaches and players.

In all honesty I am and have been skeptical of Ryan but one of his proponents because of his old man. I want to see him succeed.

I think the analogy to Gregg Williams is a correct one. Ryan is equally as brash and egotysical, runs a pressure based defense that is concerned with generating turnovers above all else. And that is what got us a ring and frankly it's the style of defense I love to watch. Nothing better than generating splash plays on defense.

The way our offense can perform we only need a middle of the pack defense to be successful, and if we can hand the ball to Drew one more time per game because of a turnover our likelihood to win is drastically increased. I think alot of players will get behind this move, enjoy Ryan's swagger and aggression, and it will pay off maybe not immediately but in a year. We have too many personnel holes to fill in one off season and a bit of a learning curve to acquire.

decoho 02-09-2013 10:33 AM

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Ryan is crude, vulgar and nasty looking. They sure didn't seem to prosper under his tutelage. I hate this.

NuNu318 02-09-2013 10:52 AM

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I wasn't a fan at first but after doing some research and looking at the circumstances of what was out there. Crennel- taking a year off, 49ers Position coaches- Harbaugh is still acting like a baby so he's not gonna let anyone talk to his guys, Mangini-doubt he'll leave TV, Grantham- gave him an interview but I kinda figured that was more about trying to push Georgia into giving him a raise....but Saints weren't gonna offer him too much more than he was getting paid now so he withdrew his name.

Ryan- whether you like his personality or not, was the best choice out there for a 3-4 guy. Because he's a players coach he can get these guys to play much like GW but he won't take it to a point IMO that GW where they eventually tuned him out because he was so outlandish. I know people say "well he hasn't taken his defenses to the playoffs" look at the Offenses he had...they were basically nonexistant. Or in the case of Dallas just had no killer instinct at all. They played not to lose instead of going for the jugular which in turn lead to mistakes and turnovers. SP & Drew together have that killer instinct....this Saints team will try to put up a 50 burger in every game.

Ryan is a **** but you know what. I can get used to that because all of our coaches are ****s to different degrees. And...
1. he's the lesser **** out of the 2 Ryan brothers.

2. He's going to **** on the media every chance he gets which I love.

3. Even though some don't like it....I think his hair is luxurious...and it looks a lot better than GW with his Just for Men'd goatee.

jnormand 02-09-2013 10:54 AM

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Not my first pick but at least its over. I don't care how weird he is. Just stay out of the media and make some improvements. Install the the damn 3-4 and get some attitude on defense not with the media. I'll be happy with that.


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