What did Ryan learn in Dallas?

WhoDat!656 · 02-10-2013, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

welcome to the middle of the road defense at best. how long did we sign a contract for with robbie boy?

Isn't that what we had with GW?

|Mitch| · 02-10-2013, 01:17 PM

middle of the road defense + #1 rated offense = Legitimate Super-Bowl potential!

UK_WhoDat · 02-10-2013, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

middle of the road defense + #1 rated offense = Legitimate Super-Bowl potential!

You coud have a point.
Baltimore Ravens was 17th ranked defense!

NuNu318 · 02-10-2013, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

welcome to the middle of the road defense at best. how long did we sign a contract for with robbie boy?

Middle of the road is a hell of a lot better that historically worst.

I don't get what some of u guys want? People act like there was someone out there that was going to make us the 85 Bears within a 2 years or something. Be real......this is a offensive oriented team...when thats your team's identity all you need is a middle of the road defense. I think this guy has a ****ish personality but people have to compartmentalize and actually look at what this scheme and what he can possibly do for us. This team has shown it responds to fiery guys like GW and Rob. So at the very least for the 1st 2 years your going to get a D that won't play soft like they did under Spags and actually help this team instead of hurt it. They might make mistakes but they'll keep fighting.

Yes he's never took a defense to the playoffs but look at the offenses he had to work with. I know I wasn't on board at first but I'm looking at the positives. Forget his personality, forget what you've heard about him. He's here now...he's a Saint accept it, support and hope for the best. I for one am more excited about the scheme that seems to fit the talent we have and the talent we can get than my feelings for the coordinator. Cuz he hasn't even coached a game for the Saints yet....

Rugby Saint II · 02-10-2013, 01:44 PM

God I just hope he can teach them to tackle. We had a lot of big plays against us because of poor tackling. Flopping in front of a ball carrier doesn't usually bring them down......unless they trip!

UK_WhoDat · 02-10-2013, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

God I just hope he can teach them to tackle. We had a lot of big plays against us because of poor tackling. Flopping in front of a ball carrier doesn't usually bring them down......unless they trip!

True Dat.

And then there was positioning, with our unique lets stand off by several yards defense

Danno · 02-10-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

“When we look back at ourselves, reevaluate, I think I started too fast,” Ryan said. “I put in the accelerated program without English 101

AKA Spaggin'

Jamessr · 02-11-2013, 08:42 AM

I just want a defense good enough to where people are concerned about them.
Our offense will take care of the rest and make it look even worse.
Remember we just need to keep people under 28 points a game. Not hard having the best offense around

saintsfan1976 · 02-11-2013, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

Remember we just need to keep people under 28 points a game. Not hard having the best offense around

We need more than that. Pressure sacks, coverage sacks, tackling, interceptions... All these have been glaringly missing from our defense for years.

TheOak · 02-11-2013, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

That reminds me of 2007/08 when folks were ready to jettison Sean Payton.

Ryan was a damn good DC in Dallas IMO. He was made the scapegoat by a team that, let's face it, won't be accused of making the most rational decisions.

You wanted an installer - you've got one.

You wanted aggressive - you've got one.

Look all the things that the media is bagging on Ryan for is exactly what his players - his ALPHA MALE players - love and revel about him.

Perfection? No. But I do expect to see a dramatic improvement.

The Sean Payton comparison is a good a good fit for keeping Spags and not hiring Ryan.

I want an installer... As pointed out Ryan hasn't done that yet.

I want an aggressive defense, I don't particularly care for a flamboyant coach. 2012 was enough drama for me for a while.

So here is my point. On a 1-10 scale Spags is a 0 and Ryan is a 5... A 17 ranked defense. We had a 5 DC before, his name was Williams and people wanted him gone near the end of 2012. Now all of a sudden people are happy with mediocrity.

Some of the same people that wanted a top 10 defense are now ecstatic at the possibility of one ranked 16.

So we shoot for the middle at a time when we can shoot for the top. All it takes for our offense to fall from grace is a couple of key injuries and we are sucking hind tit again.

Romeo is still the choice we should have made at any expense. There is no coaches cap.

02-10-2013, 01:17 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas? middle of the road defense + #1 rated offense = Legitimate Super-Bowl potential!

02-10-2013, 02:38 PM	#3
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,000	Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| middle of the road defense + #1 rated offense = Legitimate Super-Bowl potential! You coud have a point. Baltimore Ravens was 17th ranked defense! Jamessr likes this.

02-10-2013, 01:15 PM	#4
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas? Originally Posted by hagan714 welcome to the middle of the road defense at best. how long did we sign a contract for with robbie boy? Middle of the road is a hell of a lot better that historically worst. I don't get what some of u guys want? People act like there was someone out there that was going to make us the 85 Bears within a 2 years or something. Be real......this is a offensive oriented team...when thats your team's identity all you need is a middle of the road defense. I think this guy has a ****ish personality but people have to compartmentalize and actually look at what this scheme and what he can possibly do for us. This team has shown it responds to fiery guys like GW and Rob. So at the very least for the 1st 2 years your going to get a D that won't play soft like they did under Spags and actually help this team instead of hurt it. They might make mistakes but they'll keep fighting. Yes he's never took a defense to the playoffs but look at the offenses he had to work with. I know I wasn't on board at first but I'm looking at the positives. Forget his personality, forget what you've heard about him. He's here now...he's a Saint accept it, support and hope for the best. I for one am more excited about the scheme that seems to fit the talent we have and the talent we can get than my feelings for the coordinator. Cuz he hasn't even coached a game for the Saints yet.... Boutte, savoyk and CharityMike like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas? God I just hope he can teach them to tackle. We had a lot of big plays against us because of poor tackling. Flopping in front of a ball carrier doesn't usually bring them down......unless they trip!

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UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,000	Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II God I just hope he can teach them to tackle. We had a lot of big plays against us because of poor tackling. Flopping in front of a ball carrier doesn't usually bring them down......unless they trip! True Dat. And then there was positioning, with our unique lets stand off by several yards defense

02-10-2013, 12:57 PM	#1
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,085	Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas? Originally Posted by hagan714 welcome to the middle of the road defense at best. how long did we sign a contract for with robbie boy? Isn't that what we had with GW?

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 “When we look back at ourselves, reevaluate, I think I started too fast,” Ryan said. “I put in the accelerated program without English 101 AKA Spaggin'

02-11-2013, 08:42 AM	#8
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas? I just want a defense good enough to where people are concerned about them. Our offense will take care of the rest and make it look even worse. Remember we just need to keep people under 28 points a game. Not hard having the best offense around

02-11-2013, 08:44 AM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas? Originally Posted by Jamessr Remember we just need to keep people under 28 points a game. Not hard having the best offense around We need more than that. Pressure sacks, coverage sacks, tackling, interceptions... All these have been glaringly missing from our defense for years.

02-11-2013, 03:36 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 That reminds me of 2007/08 when folks were ready to jettison Sean Payton. Ryan was a damn good DC in Dallas IMO. He was made the scapegoat by a team that, let's face it, won't be accused of making the most rational decisions. You wanted an installer - you've got one. You wanted aggressive - you've got one. Look all the things that the media is bagging on Ryan for is exactly what his players - his ALPHA MALE players - love and revel about him. Perfection? No. But I do expect to see a dramatic improvement. The Sean Payton comparison is a good a good fit for keeping Spags and not hiring Ryan. I want an installer... As pointed out Ryan hasn't done that yet. I want an aggressive defense, I don't particularly care for a flamboyant coach. 2012 was enough drama for me for a while. So here is my point. On a 1-10 scale Spags is a 0 and Ryan is a 5... A 17 ranked defense. We had a 5 DC before, his name was Williams and people wanted him gone near the end of 2012. Now all of a sudden people are happy with mediocrity. Some of the same people that wanted a top 10 defense are now ecstatic at the possibility of one ranked 16. So we shoot for the middle at a time when we can shoot for the top. All it takes for our offense to fall from grace is a couple of key injuries and we are sucking hind tit again. Romeo is still the choice we should have made at any expense. There is no coaches cap.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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