Sean Payton on Sirius

Danno · 02-13-2013, 08:19 AM

I have no doubt now that Vilma restructures and remains a Saint.

blackangold · 02-13-2013, 03:49 PM

Vilma is gone... Hawthorne is a better fit anyway.

If Vilma does stay it hurts us financially with the cap and hurts us on the field. We know he is no good in the 3-4, and he has only gotten older.

I frankly dont care if he is a nice guy or not... doesn't mean he should be on the field.. God forbid we get another Scott Shanle situation ... llol

Jamessr · 02-13-2013, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Vilma is gone... Hawthorne is a better fit anyway.

If Vilma does stay it hurts us financially with the cap and hurts us on the field. We know he is no good in the 3-4, and he has only gotten older.

I frankly dont care if he is a nice guy or not... doesn't mean he should be on the field.. God forbid we get another Scott Shanle situation ... llol

not up to speed are you sir?

blackangold · 02-13-2013, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

not up to speed are you sir?

more than up to speed... consider it a prediction

pherein · 02-13-2013, 07:24 PM

Did he say anything about the ridicules collar on our jersys ? Or that we would get gold back and not be black and tan any more ?
I will never buy another Nike product, that irritates the hell out me.
FIX THE UNIFORMS!!!!!!

Danno · 02-13-2013, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Vilma is gone... Hawthorne is a better fit anyway.

If Vilma does stay it hurts us financially with the cap and hurts us on the field. We know he is no good in the 3-4, and he has only gotten older.

I frankly dont care if he is a nice guy or not... doesn't mean he should be on the field.. God forbid we get another Scott Shanle situation ... llol

He wasn't horrible in Mangini's 3-4, he just wasn't all that good.

But Mangini ran a true 2 gap 3-4 where both ILB's take on guards regularly. Rob's 3-4 doesn't do that to both ILB's. One ILB, the MIKE will take on the 2 gaps on the strongside of the line, but both the SAM and the WILL have nearly identical responsibilities as the WILL and SAM in a traditional 4-3.

Vilma at the WILL in Rob's 3-4 is no different than what Vilma played under Spags and Gregg Williams, who ran a lot of 3-4 when he was here.

Mangini's 3-4 and Rob's 3-4 are apples and oranges.

My guess is he re-structures and plays an integral part of our defense next year. Payton praised him throughout that interview and all but guaranteed Vilma will be back and better than ever.

Here's a decent diagram of how Vilma (W) will be used...

Notice the RDE is over the guard. In Mangini's 3-4 the RDE was over the Tackle, leaving both ILB's to take on OG's.

blackangold · 02-13-2013, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

He wasn't horrible in Mangini's 3-4, he just wasn't all that good.

But Mangini ran a true 2 gap 3-4 where both ILB's take on guards regularly. Rob's 3-4 doesn't do that to both ILB's. One ILB, the MIKE will take on the 2 gaps on the strongside of the line, but both the SAM and the WILL have nearly identical responsibilities as the WILL and SAM in a traditional 4-3.

Vilma at the WILL in Rob's 3-4 is no different than what Vilma played under Spags and Gregg Williams, who ran a lot of 3-4 when he was here.

Mangini's 3-4 and Rob's 3-4 are apples and oranges.

My guess is he re-structures and plays an integral part of our defense next year. Payton praised him throughout that interview and all but guaranteed Vilma will be back and better than ever.

Here's a decent diagram of how Vilma (W) will be used...

Notice the RDE is over the guard. In Mangini's 3-4 the RDE was over the Tackle, leaving both ILB's to take on OG's.

Will I be upset if Vilma is back?... No

But he needs to restructure, and that being said Hawthorne would still be the better option, or have we forgot that Hawthorne was a pro-bowl caliber player with SEA....

Vilma hasn't been healthy for 2 years and when he bounced on and off the injured report during the 2011 season everyone thought Dun-Bar looked better on the field. Now was that due to the injury, maybe. However, the last time Vilma looked like a great player was in 2010. Since then its been downhill for him, and I am sure the injuries have played a large part in that.

02-13-2013, 08:19 AM	#21
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Sean Payton on Sirius I have no doubt now that Vilma restructures and remains a Saint. bobdog86 likes this.

02-13-2013, 03:49 PM	#22
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Sean Payton on Sirius Vilma is gone... Hawthorne is a better fit anyway. If Vilma does stay it hurts us financially with the cap and hurts us on the field. We know he is no good in the 3-4, and he has only gotten older. I frankly dont care if he is a nice guy or not... doesn't mean he should be on the field.. God forbid we get another Scott Shanle situation ... llol

02-13-2013, 06:25 PM	#23
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Sean Payton on Sirius Originally Posted by blackangold Vilma is gone... Hawthorne is a better fit anyway. If Vilma does stay it hurts us financially with the cap and hurts us on the field. We know he is no good in the 3-4, and he has only gotten older. I frankly dont care if he is a nice guy or not... doesn't mean he should be on the field.. God forbid we get another Scott Shanle situation ... llol not up to speed are you sir?

02-13-2013, 06:57 PM	#24
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Sean Payton on Sirius Originally Posted by Jamessr not up to speed are you sir? more than up to speed... consider it a prediction

02-13-2013, 07:24 PM	#25
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Payton on Sirius Did he say anything about the ridicules collar on our jersys ? Or that we would get gold back and not be black and tan any more ? I will never buy another Nike product, that irritates the hell out me. FIX THE UNIFORMS!!!!!!

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02-13-2013, 07:44 PM	#26
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Sean Payton on Sirius Originally Posted by blackangold Vilma is gone... Hawthorne is a better fit anyway. If Vilma does stay it hurts us financially with the cap and hurts us on the field. We know he is no good in the 3-4, and he has only gotten older. I frankly dont care if he is a nice guy or not... doesn't mean he should be on the field.. God forbid we get another Scott Shanle situation ... llol He wasn't horrible in Mangini's 3-4, he just wasn't all that good. But Mangini ran a true 2 gap 3-4 where both ILB's take on guards regularly. Rob's 3-4 doesn't do that to both ILB's. One ILB, the MIKE will take on the 2 gaps on the strongside of the line, but both the SAM and the WILL have nearly identical responsibilities as the WILL and SAM in a traditional 4-3. Vilma at the WILL in Rob's 3-4 is no different than what Vilma played under Spags and Gregg Williams, who ran a lot of 3-4 when he was here. Mangini's 3-4 and Rob's 3-4 are apples and oranges. My guess is he re-structures and plays an integral part of our defense next year. Payton praised him throughout that interview and all but guaranteed Vilma will be back and better than ever. Here's a decent diagram of how Vilma (W) will be used... Notice the RDE is over the guard. In Mangini's 3-4 the RDE was over the Tackle, leaving both ILB's to take on OG's.

02-13-2013, 08:13 PM	#27
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Sean Payton on Sirius Originally Posted by Danno He wasn't horrible in Mangini's 3-4, he just wasn't all that good. But Mangini ran a true 2 gap 3-4 where both ILB's take on guards regularly. Rob's 3-4 doesn't do that to both ILB's. One ILB, the MIKE will take on the 2 gaps on the strongside of the line, but both the SAM and the WILL have nearly identical responsibilities as the WILL and SAM in a traditional 4-3. Vilma at the WILL in Rob's 3-4 is no different than what Vilma played under Spags and Gregg Williams, who ran a lot of 3-4 when he was here. Mangini's 3-4 and Rob's 3-4 are apples and oranges. My guess is he re-structures and plays an integral part of our defense next year. Payton praised him throughout that interview and all but guaranteed Vilma will be back and better than ever. Here's a decent diagram of how Vilma (W) will be used... Notice the RDE is over the guard. In Mangini's 3-4 the RDE was over the Tackle, leaving both ILB's to take on OG's. Will I be upset if Vilma is back?... No But he needs to restructure, and that being said Hawthorne would still be the better option, or have we forgot that Hawthorne was a pro-bowl caliber player with SEA.... Vilma hasn't been healthy for 2 years and when he bounced on and off the injured report during the 2011 season everyone thought Dun-Bar looked better on the field. Now was that due to the injury, maybe. However, the last time Vilma looked like a great player was in 2010. Since then its been downhill for him, and I am sure the injuries have played a large part in that.

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