The Saints could face a culture change with their new defense

02-17-2013, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by xan

Such insights wasted on football. The Israeli- Palestinian conflict is more worthy of this man's grasp of the obvious. Maybe in the Senate.

True dis, but is the world truly ready for such an intellectual giant? Title should read, "The Saints Better Face a Culture Change...."

Rugby Saint II · 02-17-2013, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

This article had me until it started talking about, "where an I Jenkins" I want him replaced at FS bad!! Trade, cut or bench, I don't care, just get that #14-1st round bust out of here, that would be a start to a culture change. And please don't say he could be a man corner, that's why he was moved to FS, being to slow!!

If Jenkins stays I believe that we are in trouble. I don't think he's that smart. He is an excellent athlete who hustles all the time but he can't anticipate worth a damn. And if this is going to be a read and react system I don't feel comfortable with Jenkins ability to diagnose a play. Just sayin'.

Seer1 · 02-17-2013, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

If Jenkins stays I believe that we are in trouble. I don't think he's that smart. He is an excellent athlete who hustles all the time but he can't anticipate worth a damn. And if this is going to be a read and react system I don't feel comfortable with Jenkins ability to diagnose a play. Just sayin'.

If Patrick goes and Jenkins only has to play one position, I'm thinking he'll be a pleasant surprise for you.

lee909 · 02-18-2013, 02:05 AM

I not that happy with any of the secondary but it will be interesting to see how they can do with a front 7 that can actually get to the opposing QB.
I'm looking toward to seeing a front three of Hicks-Bunkley-Jordan,alot of power in the two ends and a damn site more athletic than most of the tackles they will come up against.
Now if we can get some pressure and containment from the OLB I think there will be a massive improvement on the defence.

TheOak · 02-18-2013, 08:34 AM

I'm not sure they ever grasped the Spagnuolo culture for there to be a difficult adjustment from it.

More of an anarchy to Ryan change in my opinion.

Marlboro Man · 02-21-2013, 08:52 AM

The ignorance of the media in general and the sports media in particular, never ceases to amaze me. One is like a cheap prostitute who sells out to the highest bidder, and the other is the unwanted, retarded stepchild.

However, before I digress further, these sports reporters have absolutely no clue about what kind of team, the Saints are.

For 3 of the last 4 years, we've had a Ryan protege in Gregg Williams who built a man up defense. Man to man cover corners etc. We also played a lot of 3-4 fronts under Williams. Ryan's hire simply puts a permanent change to the 3-4 front as opposed to the 4-3 front and the rest bascially remains the same, so why do these media morons keep talking about how hard it's gonna be to change back to what we were doing just 2 years ago. The ignorance and stupidity just boggles the mind.

Danno · 02-21-2013, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

The ignorance of the media in general and the sports media in particular, never ceases to amaze me. One is like a cheap prostitute who sells out to the highest bidder, and the other is the unwanted, retarded stepchild.

However, before I digress further, these sports reporters have absolutely no clue about what kind of team, the Saints are.

For 3 of the last 4 years, we've had a Ryan protege in Gregg Williams who built a man up defense. Man to man cover corners etc. We also played a lot of 3-4 fronts under Williams. Ryan's hire simply puts a permanent change to the 3-4 front as opposed to the 4-3 front and the rest bascially remains the same, so why do these media morons keep talking about how hard it's gonna be to change back to what we were doing just 2 years ago. The ignorance and stupidity just boggles the mind.

Great points. Every player along our front 7 has played the 3-4 before. There are a few that are probably better fits in a 4-3, but the learning curve isn't as steep as many think.

I think the talent we have on hand right now is better suited for a 3-4 front and man-press coverages than last years 4-3 base, assuming Hicks doesn't regress.

Throw in a NT and an WOLB and we're good to go. We may have thhat WOLB already in Galette and Wilson, but another one certainly wouldn't hurt. I think Wilson's final destination will be the SILB. He's got the perfect skillset for that position.

Supertek · 02-21-2013, 04:49 PM

Personally I agree that Harper,Vilma, and Smith need to go. Smith wont take a big cut and he will have a bad attitude and be disruptive to the team if he stays(Not worth It) They dont know our team but Ellis has to go. Look at the money we can gain and lord knows we need a major culture change. I thinks Jenkins has a chance to be above average if he gets some help. Sure we need some a couple stud linemen but we should be able to do that if we cut these underachievers. Its time I just hope Payton takes care of this as he knows the history of these guys. Then let Ryan do his thing. My God with even a top10 or 15 middle of the road defense we should be able to roll. Come on have some Ba#$% and let these guys go. We need a good safety again badly.

02-17-2013, 10:06 AM	#11
Threaded by Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by xan Such insights wasted on football. The Israeli- Palestinian conflict is more worthy of this man's grasp of the obvious. Maybe in the Senate. True dis, but is the world truly ready for such an intellectual giant? Title should read, "The Saints Better Face a Culture Change...."
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02-17-2013, 04:06 PM	#12
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: The Saints could face a culture change with their new defense Originally Posted by halloween 65 This article had me until it started talking about, "where an I Jenkins" I want him replaced at FS bad!! Trade, cut or bench, I don't care, just get that #14-1st round bust out of here, that would be a start to a culture change. And please don't say he could be a man corner, that's why he was moved to FS, being to slow!! If Jenkins stays I believe that we are in trouble. I don't think he's that smart. He is an excellent athlete who hustles all the time but he can't anticipate worth a damn. And if this is going to be a read and react system I don't feel comfortable with Jenkins ability to diagnose a play. Just sayin'.

02-17-2013, 06:22 PM	#13
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: The Saints could face a culture change with their new defense Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II If Jenkins stays I believe that we are in trouble. I don't think he's that smart. He is an excellent athlete who hustles all the time but he can't anticipate worth a damn. And if this is going to be a read and react system I don't feel comfortable with Jenkins ability to diagnose a play. Just sayin'. If Patrick goes and Jenkins only has to play one position, I'm thinking he'll be a pleasant surprise for you.

02-21-2013, 08:52 AM	#16
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: The Saints could face a culture change with their new defense The ignorance of the media in general and the sports media in particular, never ceases to amaze me. One is like a cheap prostitute who sells out to the highest bidder, and the other is the unwanted, retarded stepchild. However, before I digress further, these sports reporters have absolutely no clue about what kind of team, the Saints are. For 3 of the last 4 years, we've had a Ryan protege in Gregg Williams who built a man up defense. Man to man cover corners etc. We also played a lot of 3-4 fronts under Williams. Ryan's hire simply puts a permanent change to the 3-4 front as opposed to the 4-3 front and the rest bascially remains the same, so why do these media morons keep talking about how hard it's gonna be to change back to what we were doing just 2 years ago. The ignorance and stupidity just boggles the mind. Danno and SmashMouth like this.

02-21-2013, 08:57 AM	#17
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: The Saints could face a culture change with their new defense Originally Posted by Marlboro Man The ignorance of the media in general and the sports media in particular, never ceases to amaze me. One is like a cheap prostitute who sells out to the highest bidder, and the other is the unwanted, retarded stepchild. However, before I digress further, these sports reporters have absolutely no clue about what kind of team, the Saints are. For 3 of the last 4 years, we've had a Ryan protege in Gregg Williams who built a man up defense. Man to man cover corners etc. We also played a lot of 3-4 fronts under Williams. Ryan's hire simply puts a permanent change to the 3-4 front as opposed to the 4-3 front and the rest bascially remains the same, so why do these media morons keep talking about how hard it's gonna be to change back to what we were doing just 2 years ago. The ignorance and stupidity just boggles the mind. Great points. Every player along our front 7 has played the 3-4 before. There are a few that are probably better fits in a 4-3, but the learning curve isn't as steep as many think. I think the talent we have on hand right now is better suited for a 3-4 front and man-press coverages than last years 4-3 base, assuming Hicks doesn't regress. Throw in a NT and an WOLB and we're good to go. We may have thhat WOLB already in Galette and Wilson, but another one certainly wouldn't hurt. I think Wilson's final destination will be the SILB. He's got the perfect skillset for that position.

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02-18-2013, 02:05 AM	#14
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	I not that happy with any of the secondary but it will be interesting to see how they can do with a front 7 that can actually get to the opposing QB. I'm looking toward to seeing a front three of Hicks-Bunkley-Jordan,alot of power in the two ends and a damn site more athletic than most of the tackles they will come up against. Now if we can get some pressure and containment from the OLB I think there will be a massive improvement on the defence.

02-18-2013, 08:34 AM	#15
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	I'm not sure they ever grasped the Spagnuolo culture for there to be a difficult adjustment from it. More of an anarchy to Ryan change in my opinion.

02-21-2013, 04:49 PM	#18
Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	Re: The Saints could face a culture change with their new defense Personally I agree that Harper,Vilma, and Smith need to go. Smith wont take a big cut and he will have a bad attitude and be disruptive to the team if he stays(Not worth It) They dont know our team but Ellis has to go. Look at the money we can gain and lord knows we need a major culture change. I thinks Jenkins has a chance to be above average if he gets some help. Sure we need some a couple stud linemen but we should be able to do that if we cut these underachievers. Its time I just hope Payton takes care of this as he knows the history of these guys. Then let Ryan do his thing. My God with even a top10 or 15 middle of the road defense we should be able to roll. Come on have some Ba#$% and let these guys go. We need a good safety again badly.

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