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In my Buddy Ryan's voice.. "can't help the club in the hot tub". Ivory is just a bit too injury prone for my taste. Love the desire, but his body doesn't seem to hold up well.

dizzle88

1. They arent all his highlights just the ones i thought were impressive
2. How is ingram not getting hit? You obviously need to watch closer
3. Ivory pulls a hamstring every game, getting hit does not pull your hamstring, accept it hes injury prone

AlaskaSaints

All that matters is what Payton and Loomis think of Ivory. And history shows that Payton and Loomis like Ivory.

How many games did Ingram miss with turf toe? Everyone seems to forget that fact while remembering every game Ivory has missed.

The YPC numbers speak for themselves. Ingram's apologists can aspire for him to run like Ivory but that's not gonna make it happen.

SHOW ME

Alaska

AlaskaSaints

If Ivory is "injury prone", what is Jimmy Graham?

Alaska

Shoe.

He's the guy that plays through his injuries apparently

While JG wasn't spectacular this year, playing injured he still was pretty darn good, drops included. To compare his production w Ivory is apples/oranges IMO

I don't understand why the opinion that Ivory is injury prone seems to be up for debate. Yes Ingram missed some time w turf toe, but that was his only significant injury in two years, plus he was a rookie when he did it, playing on turf consistently for the first time since playing in Bryant-Denny, which is grass.

Ivory may in fact be more talented, I'll freely admit that, even though I'm personally more inclined to believe the club moves forward with Ingram. When Ivory manages to string 4-6 games together without injuring some random part of his anatomy he'll go a long way to convincing me that he's the one tht deserves the full-time role. Until then...

*gets down from soap box*

Danno

Less injury prone?

SaintsBro

Actually, I'm not so sure of that. What makes you say that Payton likes him, just curious.

Payton has guys that he LIKES, that he relies on, he trusts them with the game on the line, he believes in them (remember his "you deserve to be here" comment to Hartley in the Vikings game?)....and then he has guys that he just throws at the wall to see who sticks. As much as I like the way Ivory runs sometimes, I've never seen anything to indicate that Payton considered Ivory to be reliable or his REAL go-to guy, or THE MAN, backbone of the team, etc. I just don't see it in what Payton says or how he uses him.

It's Pierre Thomas he goes to when the game is on the line, Sproles, or even Ingram (goal line against the Packers in 2011). Ingram came in and already has higher stock in Payton's eyes, we've already seen that in how the two get used differently.

Other than the 4th and 1 in the infamous 2010 Atlanta game that Ivory fumbled and cost the Saints points, I don't feel like Payton really calls on Ivory's number when the chips are down. I think he throws Ivory out there and uses him until he burns up and breaks, but Ivory has never penetrated into that "safe" zone like Pierre Thomas, Sproles, Graham, the guys you see Payton talking with and joking to on the sidelines, who get their numbers called on in the clutch.

As much as you and I both like Chris Ivory, to me Ivory is still in that Mike Bell/Aaron Stecker/Cadet level -- he's here, right now, "grab your helmet and get out there, son."

Remember that stretch last year where Ivory was benched and he was complaining in the press, "the coaches aren't even talking to me." Sorry, that is not someone who is the core of the team. If he was that important, they would be talking to him, working with him, fixing the problems, it would never even see the press. I just don't see it.

And the fact that we are even debating and talking about his future here in such uncertain terms, in a year when everyone else on the team including people's grandmothers have already restructured their existing contracts to stay, it doesn't sound to me like Ivory is someone that Payton and Loomis "like" a lot or see as the future of the team. And I do like Ivory, don't get me wrong.

vpheughan

Ivory will go elsewhere and rush for 1,500 yds and Hartley will set a record for consecutive field goals after he's cut and picked up!

Mardigras9

I could potentially see your Ivory prediction. Hartley on the other hand, no way. he will be even a bigger head case once cut.

Beastmode

I don't think there is a right answer. Both are injury prone. Both have had some success. I think it comes down to Ingram being hand picked by coach. He wants it to work and have that I told you feeling.