FinSaint

And lets not forget about Cadet, he did show some flashes in the preseason when he was subbing with Ivory, and I think he could become a solid scat back and a true weapon in the screen game.

lee909

I'd still prefer to shift one or two of the backs and bring in a large short down/goal line back.

TheOak

Turner?

You did say short.

Jamessr

Man I totally forgot about Cadet!

The only reason I don't want Ingram to go is because he was a 1st rounders... but sooner or later we need to cut our losses.

Supertek

I disagree with most of you here about Ivory. I would trade Ingram before I let Ivory go and get something back for him like a killer defensive player. I think he should have had more playing time last year. Think he got in a spat with management about not playing enough. Ingram gets hurt all the time also and was out a bunch with his damn toe among other things. With Sproles, Thomas, Ivory and Cadet as a insurance I don't think we need anything else. Ivory needs to clean up his attitude maybe and push Ingram out as trade bait. Probably noone will read this last thread but thats OK.

SaintsBro

This is something I've noticed about Payton. Once he gets burned, he's very serious about never having the same bad thing happen to him twice. And then sometimes he gets kinda OCD, and almost winds up over-compensating for it.

Another example: he had trouble with kickers early on in his career here, guys were missing crucial kicks -- I forget exactly which ones, but Carny missed something , Billy Cundiff missed a big one in the NFC championship game, then Olindo Mare missed something horrible... The Saints had troubles with kickers even before Sean Payton got here -- River City Relay, anyone?

So Payton gets here and the kicking troubles continue -- I vaguely remember there were several games early on when Payton was here, where they would always line up for these crucial long field goals and miss, so it was like "oh no, here we go again"...and now Payton carries two and sometimes THREE kickers on the roster. Not to start a Hartley discussion, but just to show that this is what happens -- if something burns Payton badly, he goes out of his way to correct it.

K Major

+1. And one more year of experience in his back pocket.

Seer1

Can Ivory kick? Job share with Hartley?

Danno

He can't stay healthy playing one position. I don't think two would work very well.

Rugby Saint II

He showed potential early on in the season, but seemed to hit a wall and didn't improve much after that. I wasn't impressed with his return ability that much either.