TheOak

Turner?

You did say short.

Jamessr

Man I totally forgot about Cadet!

The only reason I don't want Ingram to go is because he was a 1st rounders... but sooner or later we need to cut our losses.

Supertek

I disagree with most of you here about Ivory. I would trade Ingram before I let Ivory go and get something back for him like a killer defensive player. I think he should have had more playing time last year. Think he got in a spat with management about not playing enough. Ingram gets hurt all the time also and was out a bunch with his damn toe among other things. With Sproles, Thomas, Ivory and Cadet as a insurance I don't think we need anything else. Ivory needs to clean up his attitude maybe and push Ingram out as trade bait. Probably noone will read this last thread but thats OK.

Seer1

Can Ivory kick? Job share with Hartley?

Danno

He can't stay healthy playing one position. I don't think two would work very well.

TheOak

You think his hamstrings are bad? Wait until he pounds his foot against the pigskin all day

Then he would have a shattered foot AND a pulled hamstring.

Seer1

Who said anything about two positions? He sits and waits until what has to be the most oft injured kicker in the league tweaks himself. Then he goes in and finishes up. the season. Hartley takes half a paycheck, Ivory takes the other.Everyone's still on the team, everyone's still over paid. Hey, problems are all solved.

Jamessr

I think a big reason Ingrams performance hasn't been what we expected is because of the design of our offense.
Ingram goes to Atlanta he'd do well there. Easy to shine with a bunch of bums

SaintsBro

I keep telling people this. I am no expert, but I am convinced that we are not seeing the whole thing, as far as Payton's vision for Mark Ingram, or why he is here in this offense. I think Payton has something NEW in mind for this offense, that he has not gotten to implement yet because of the suspensions.

Ten games out of 16 in his rookie year, to work Ingram in. Injuries. Then look at his number of touches for last year, in order -- they go up dramatically after the Philly game, and his yardage goes up too, to almost respectable per game levels (60-90 yards). When Vitt was back? Planned all along? I don't know.

That annoying play where Ingram comes in the game, they hand it off to him every time, then he runs into the back of his own lineman and falls forward three yards? I hated that play. That can't be what Sean Payton had in mind for him. It just can't. That's crazy. For whatever reason, Mark Ingram has not been integrated into the offense yet. I don't know if it's because of Carmichael, or because Payton wasn't here, or what -- I just think we have not really seen what he was brought here to do, in terms of the big picture of the offense.

Danno

The play I hated most was the one where he gets the handoff, and there's an unblocked defender directly in front of him, an unblocked defender to his left and an unblocked defender to his right.

He then gets tackled behind the LOS and some idiot in chat posts "Ingram sucks!!!"