Cap Hits by Position

TheOak · 03-08-2013, 10:53 AM

Normally when we look at salary cap hits I know I look at poor preforming players or large hits by default. An alternate look would be to look at what positions you have large amounts of cap hit tied into. This gives you a view from players that you may want to keep but do not need because you already have an over abundance at that position.

Some teams do not look at a specific player but look at a position, basically the Patriots will not spend more than x at TE, then work from there, regardless of how good someone thinks they are the team has a limit for that position based on perceived importance) and a player has to fit in or go somewhere else.. It takes the personal out and makes it more of a business decision.

It makes the "I like him" decision into "we do not need him". because someone may be a good price at WR but we just do not need another.

Ranked Highest to Lowest positions by Cap Hit, then highest to lowest at that position.

D.E. -18.6M
Smith
Jordan
Wilson
Richardson
Romeus

L.B - 18.4M
Vilma
Lofton
Hawthorne
Herring
Chamberline
Johnson
Broughton

QB - 17.4M
Brees

Safety - 13.2M
Harper
Jenkins
Quddus
Bush
White
Nelson

Guard - 13M
Evans
Grubbs
Henry
Oleson
Tiller
Lee

WR - 12.9M
Moore
Colston
Toon
Morgan
parker
Cadet
Givens
Fayson
Tanner
Hakim

CB - 8.8M
Greer
Robinson
Turner
Steed
Davis

RB - 8.2M
Sproles
Thomas
Ingram

T - 4.4M
Strief
Brown
Jones
Harris

DT - 4.3M
Bunkley
Johnson
Hicks
Walker
P - 2.9M
Morestead

K - 2.6M
Hartley

TE - 2.5M
Graham
Higging
Collins

Dead money
Thomas
patrick
Tennant
J. Thomas
Folkerts

Just by looking at it this way I can see "Positions" we have way too much cap hit and too many players at.

Example: Seeing we tied up 37M in LB/DE last year for the worst defense in history really turns my stomach.

dizzle88 · 03-08-2013, 11:11 AM

wow....

DE and LB are the highest capped positions on our team and they are probably the worst part of our team also

That hurts

TheOak · 03-08-2013, 11:17 AM

Looking at it from this angle I would have to ask Loomis... WTF?

Do we need?

10 WR
6 S
7 LB

No Wonder we can not afford a tackle.

cmsaint · 03-08-2013, 12:09 PM

Thanks for the breakdown...

Really shines some light on things. The top 3 of 4 spots are D...

Perhaps the worst ROI ever seen in business.

lee909 · 03-08-2013, 12:40 PM

That makes for some real ugly reading.
I'm sure other teams look as bad but man that horrible especially at safety

TheOak · 03-08-2013, 12:48 PM

Whats scarier than the abundance of dead weight is that we are just over the cap and do not have:

Bu QB
Bu Kicker
Bu Punter

Shoe. · 03-08-2013, 01:08 PM

Damn we're still paying Matt Tennant?? Wowzers

Danno · 03-08-2013, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Looking at it from this angle I would have to ask Loomis... WTF?

Do we need?

10 WR
6 S
7 LB

No Wonder we can not afford a tackle.

Well 6 of those 10 WR's salaries combined probably wouldn't be enough to buy a couple large Shrimp Po Boys. And they're including Cadet as a WR.

They're also listing practice squad guys too. Waterboys make as much as they do.

TheOak · 03-08-2013, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Well 6 of those 10 WR's salaries combined probably wouldn't be enough to buy a couple large Shrimp Po Boys. And they're including Cadet as a WR.

They're also listing practice squad guys too. Waterboys make as much as they do.

When the practice squad goes against the cap... They count..

However, NONE of those salary's are below 406k/year. Practice squad guys do not make 406k a year.

Bottom 4 WR 1.6M

The highest paid player in the NFL on a practice squad is 300k/year

Some examples of what PS guys make in a season on the bottom
New England Patriots have top-paid NFL practice squad - NFL.com

How much does a shrimp po-boy in Alabama cost you anyway brother? You may need to move.

Danno · 03-08-2013, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

When the practice squad goes against the cap... They count..

However, NONE of those salary's are below 406k/year. Practice squad guys do not make 406k a year.

Bottom 4 WR 1.6M

The highest paid player in the NFL on a practice squad is 300k/year

Some examples of what PS guys make in a season on the bottom
New England Patriots have top-paid NFL practice squad - NFL.com

How much does a shrimp po-boy in Alabama cost you anyway brother? You may need to move.

Loking at the WR's Colston + Moore = 9 million

The following 8 WR's (1 is a RB) combined are 3.9 million

Thats not much more than what we pay one single punter.

03-08-2013, 10:53 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Cap Hits by Position Normally when we look at salary cap hits I know I look at poor preforming players or large hits by default. An alternate look would be to look at what positions you have large amounts of cap hit tied into. This gives you a view from players that you may want to keep but do not need because you already have an over abundance at that position. Some teams do not look at a specific player but look at a position, basically the Patriots will not spend more than x at TE, then work from there, regardless of how good someone thinks they are the team has a limit for that position based on perceived importance) and a player has to fit in or go somewhere else.. It takes the personal out and makes it more of a business decision. It makes the "I like him" decision into "we do not need him". because someone may be a good price at WR but we just do not need another. Ranked Highest to Lowest positions by Cap Hit, then highest to lowest at that position. D.E. -18.6M Smith Jordan Wilson Richardson Romeus L.B - 18.4M Vilma Lofton Hawthorne Herring Chamberline Johnson Broughton QB - 17.4M Brees Safety - 13.2M Harper Jenkins Quddus Bush White Nelson Guard - 13M Evans Grubbs Henry Oleson Tiller Lee WR - 12.9M Moore Colston Toon Morgan parker Cadet Givens Fayson Tanner Hakim CB - 8.8M Greer Robinson Turner Steed Davis RB - 8.2M Sproles Thomas Ingram T - 4.4M Strief Brown Jones Harris DT - 4.3M Bunkley Johnson Hicks Walker P - 2.9M Morestead K - 2.6M Hartley TE - 2.5M Graham Higging Collins Dead money Thomas patrick Tennant J. Thomas Folkerts Just by looking at it this way I can see "Positions" we have way too much cap hit and too many players at. Example: Seeing we tied up 37M in LB/DE last year for the worst defense in history really turns my stomach.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

03-08-2013, 11:11 AM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Cap Hits by Position wow.... DE and LB are the highest capped positions on our team and they are probably the worst part of our team also That hurts hagan714 and jeanpierre like this.

03-08-2013, 11:17 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Cap Hits by Position Looking at it from this angle I would have to ask Loomis... WTF? Do we need? 10 WR 6 S 7 LB No Wonder we can not afford a tackle.
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cmsaint 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Atlanta :/ Posts: 126	Re: Cap Hits by Position Thanks for the breakdown... Really shines some light on things. The top 3 of 4 spots are D... Perhaps the worst ROI ever seen in business.

03-08-2013, 12:48 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Cap Hits by Position Whats scarier than the abundance of dead weight is that we are just over the cap and do not have: Bu QB Bu Kicker Bu Punter

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	That makes for some real ugly reading. I'm sure other teams look as bad but man that horrible especially at safety

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Cap Hits by Position Originally Posted by TheOak Looking at it from this angle I would have to ask Loomis... WTF? Do we need? 10 WR 6 S 7 LB No Wonder we can not afford a tackle. Well 6 of those 10 WR's salaries combined probably wouldn't be enough to buy a couple large Shrimp Po Boys. And they're including Cadet as a WR. They're also listing practice squad guys too. Waterboys make as much as they do. darstep and FinSaint like this.

03-08-2013, 03:48 PM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Cap Hits by Position Originally Posted by Danno Well 6 of those 10 WR's salaries combined probably wouldn't be enough to buy a couple large Shrimp Po Boys. And they're including Cadet as a WR. They're also listing practice squad guys too. Waterboys make as much as they do. When the practice squad goes against the cap... They count.. However, NONE of those salary's are below 406k/year. Practice squad guys do not make 406k a year. Bottom 4 WR 1.6M The highest paid player in the NFL on a practice squad is 300k/year Some examples of what PS guys make in a season on the bottom New England Patriots have top-paid NFL practice squad - NFL.com How much does a shrimp po-boy in Alabama cost you anyway brother? You may need to move.

03-08-2013, 03:57 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Cap Hits by Position Originally Posted by TheOak When the practice squad goes against the cap... They count.. However, NONE of those salary's are below 406k/year. Practice squad guys do not make 406k a year. Bottom 4 WR 1.6M The highest paid player in the NFL on a practice squad is 300k/year Some examples of what PS guys make in a season on the bottom New England Patriots have top-paid NFL practice squad - NFL.com How much does a shrimp po-boy in Alabama cost you anyway brother? You may need to move. Loking at the WR's Colston + Moore = 9 million The following 8 WR's (1 is a RB) combined are 3.9 million Thats not much more than what we pay one single punter.

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