John Abraham may visit Saints

rezburna · 03-09-2013, 10:58 AM

If he's lost a step, yet still recorded 10 sacks like he did last year, I say give him a nice little 2 year deal. l guess nobody remembers him being the only player terrorizing Brees on the Falcons D the past several years.

Danno · 03-09-2013, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If he's lost a step, yet still recorded 10 sacks like he did last year, I say give him a nice little 2 year deal. l guess nobody remembers him being the only player terrorizing Brees on the Falcons D the past several years.

I don't remember that at all. We've handled him OK for the last several years.

FinSaint · 03-09-2013, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If he's lost a step, yet still recorded 10 sacks like he did last year, I say give him a nice little 2 year deal. l guess nobody remembers him being the only player terrorizing Brees on the Falcons D the past several years.

He's 35 and battled injuries practically all season long this past year - and you want to give him a 2-year contract?!

rezburna · 03-09-2013, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

He's 35 and battled injuries practically all season long this past year - and you want to give him a 2-year contract?!

why not? We signed Darren Sharper when he was that age. If he's not better then what we've already got you're fooling yourself. It doesn't matter if he's horrible with the option. The rest of the D is horrible at everything. Nobody is saying break the bank on him, but if he wants to come end his career with a ring I believe he's a good veteran leader and upgrade. Its 2 years. Not the 5 we just gave Drew, who is practically just as old.

FinSaint · 03-09-2013, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

why not? We signed Darren Sharper when he was that age. If he's not better then what we've already got you're fooling yourself. It doesn't matter if he's horrible with the option. The rest of the D is horrible at everything. Nobody is saying break the bank on him, but if he wants to come end his career with a ring I believe he's a good veteran leader and upgrade. Its 2 years. Not the 5 we just gave Drew, who is practically just as old.

Sharper and Brees aren't exactly good comparisons for Abrahams - an old player who got released in the middle of his contract.

Minnesota wanted to keep Sharper, but couldn't afford to. He was putting up good numbers for them through his contract, and would've probably continued to do so if he had re-signed with them.

Brees' situation with the Chargers is known by all of us, so there's no need to go over it again here, but I'd like to point out that he didn't have a history filled with injuries before the infamous shoulder injury, the surgery was done by the best in the business, and he passed the medicals before signing with the Saints.

From what I've gathered, Abrahams doesn't have the same type of character as Brees does when it comes to training and keeping himself in peak condition to avoid future injuries, so them being about the same age isn't really anything I'd consider as a favorable comparison to Abrahams.

Anyway, he might be a good veteran presence at vet minimum (I'm doubtful), but I'd prefer that roster spot to be filled by a young player who could be a future contributor in the black and gold.

rezburna · 03-09-2013, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Sharper and Brees aren't exactly good comparisons for Abrahams - an old player who got released in the middle of his contract.

Minnesota wanted to keep Sharper, but couldn't afford to. He was putting up good numbers for them through his contract, and would've probably continued to do so if he had re-signed with them.

Brees' situation with the Chargers is known by all of us, so there's no need to go over it again here, but I'd like to point out that he didn't have a history filled with injuries before the infamous shoulder injury, the surgery was done by the best in the business, and he passed the medicals before signing with the Saints.

From what I've gathered, Abrahams doesn't have the same type of character as Brees does when it comes to training and keeping himself in peak condition to avoid future injuries, so them being about the same age isn't really anything I'd consider as a favorable comparison to Abrahams.

Anyway, he might be a good veteran presence at vet minimum (I'm doubtful), but I'd prefer that roster spot to be filled by a young player who could be a future contributor in the black and gold.

We don't have time to wait on future contributors. We need people to contribute now. The Saints live and die with Drew Brees. His days are numbered. Our window is short. We need people who are ready to play now. Like I said, the man had 10 sacks. Will Smith is our highest paid defensive player, he had 6...and he was actually healthy.

FinSaint · 03-09-2013, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

We don't have time to wait on future contributors. We need people to contribute now. The Saints live and die with Drew Brees. His days are numbered. Our window is short. We need people who are ready to play now. Like I said, the man had 10 sacks. Will Smith is our highest paid defensive player, he had 6...and he was actually healthy.

I'm sorry, but that to me is just too shortsighted to my liking.

The "window" doesn't ever have to close if the franchise is smart about the moves it makes going forward - a big part of that is choosing the right free agents to sign to strengthen their roster and using the draft wisely to fill the holes left after free agency. A big part of this approach is to try and renew your player/prospect pool at a constant cycle, and that can be better done by adding younger players into the roster, who can potentially be signed below true market value while having them play their best football years with the franchise. Then see those players sign big contracts with other franchises while either receiving compensation for it or saving money by once again adding younger players into the roster with their best days still ahead of them. Now, I'm not discrediting the value of veteran players in the roster, because young players need role models from whom to learn what it takes to be a professional football player in the good sense, but I doubt a player like Abrahams is that type of a player - I'd much rather have someone like Vilma be that player.

This franchise doesn't live or die with Drew Brees, and IMO his days are certainly not numbered as you put it, but like any other player on a roster; he'll have to be replaced in the near future, but that day isn't here yet.

WillSaints81 · 03-09-2013, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

why not? We signed Darren Sharper when he was that age. If he's not better then what we've already got you're fooling yourself. It doesn't matter if he's horrible with the option. The rest of the D is horrible at everything. Nobody is saying break the bank on him, but if he wants to come end his career with a ring I believe he's a good veteran leader and upgrade. Its 2 years. Not the 5 we just gave Drew, who is practically just as old.

And Brady is 36 and Manning is 37. Favre was 40 when he retired officially, Warner was 38. QB lives longest in this league and takes less hits than everyone else.

NuNu318 · 03-09-2013, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If he's lost a step, yet still recorded 10 sacks like he did last year, I say give him a nice little 2 year deal. l guess nobody remembers him being the only player terrorizing Brees on the Falcons D the past several years.

Also remember....Falcons played one of, if not the, easiest schedule in the NFL last season....I wouldn't put much stock in those sacks. ANd he's HORRIBLE against the read option. He's old and injury prone.....no thanks.

03-09-2013, 10:58 AM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,131	Re: John Abraham may visit Saints If he's lost a step, yet still recorded 10 sacks like he did last year, I say give him a nice little 2 year deal. l guess nobody remembers him being the only player terrorizing Brees on the Falcons D the past several years.

03-09-2013, 11:29 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: John Abraham may visit Saints Originally Posted by rezburna If he's lost a step, yet still recorded 10 sacks like he did last year, I say give him a nice little 2 year deal. l guess nobody remembers him being the only player terrorizing Brees on the Falcons D the past several years. I don't remember that at all. We've handled him OK for the last several years.

03-09-2013, 11:58 AM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: John Abraham may visit Saints Originally Posted by rezburna If he's lost a step, yet still recorded 10 sacks like he did last year, I say give him a nice little 2 year deal. l guess nobody remembers him being the only player terrorizing Brees on the Falcons D the past several years. He's 35 and battled injuries practically all season long this past year - and you want to give him a 2-year contract?!

03-09-2013, 01:37 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,131	Re: John Abraham may visit Saints Originally Posted by FinSaint He's 35 and battled injuries practically all season long this past year - and you want to give him a 2-year contract?! why not? We signed Darren Sharper when he was that age. If he's not better then what we've already got you're fooling yourself. It doesn't matter if he's horrible with the option. The rest of the D is horrible at everything. Nobody is saying break the bank on him, but if he wants to come end his career with a ring I believe he's a good veteran leader and upgrade. Its 2 years. Not the 5 we just gave Drew, who is practically just as old.

03-09-2013, 04:15 PM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: John Abraham may visit Saints Originally Posted by rezburna why not? We signed Darren Sharper when he was that age. If he's not better then what we've already got you're fooling yourself. It doesn't matter if he's horrible with the option. The rest of the D is horrible at everything. Nobody is saying break the bank on him, but if he wants to come end his career with a ring I believe he's a good veteran leader and upgrade. Its 2 years. Not the 5 we just gave Drew, who is practically just as old. Sharper and Brees aren't exactly good comparisons for Abrahams - an old player who got released in the middle of his contract. Minnesota wanted to keep Sharper, but couldn't afford to. He was putting up good numbers for them through his contract, and would've probably continued to do so if he had re-signed with them. Brees' situation with the Chargers is known by all of us, so there's no need to go over it again here, but I'd like to point out that he didn't have a history filled with injuries before the infamous shoulder injury, the surgery was done by the best in the business, and he passed the medicals before signing with the Saints. From what I've gathered, Abrahams doesn't have the same type of character as Brees does when it comes to training and keeping himself in peak condition to avoid future injuries, so them being about the same age isn't really anything I'd consider as a favorable comparison to Abrahams. Anyway, he might be a good veteran presence at vet minimum (I'm doubtful), but I'd prefer that roster spot to be filled by a young player who could be a future contributor in the black and gold.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

03-09-2013, 04:50 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,131	Re: John Abraham may visit Saints Originally Posted by FinSaint Sharper and Brees aren't exactly good comparisons for Abrahams - an old player who got released in the middle of his contract. Minnesota wanted to keep Sharper, but couldn't afford to. He was putting up good numbers for them through his contract, and would've probably continued to do so if he had re-signed with them. Brees' situation with the Chargers is known by all of us, so there's no need to go over it again here, but I'd like to point out that he didn't have a history filled with injuries before the infamous shoulder injury, the surgery was done by the best in the business, and he passed the medicals before signing with the Saints. From what I've gathered, Abrahams doesn't have the same type of character as Brees does when it comes to training and keeping himself in peak condition to avoid future injuries, so them being about the same age isn't really anything I'd consider as a favorable comparison to Abrahams. Anyway, he might be a good veteran presence at vet minimum (I'm doubtful), but I'd prefer that roster spot to be filled by a young player who could be a future contributor in the black and gold. We don't have time to wait on future contributors. We need people to contribute now. The Saints live and die with Drew Brees. His days are numbered. Our window is short. We need people who are ready to play now. Like I said, the man had 10 sacks. Will Smith is our highest paid defensive player, he had 6...and he was actually healthy.

03-09-2013, 10:01 PM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: John Abraham may visit Saints Originally Posted by rezburna We don't have time to wait on future contributors. We need people to contribute now. The Saints live and die with Drew Brees. His days are numbered. Our window is short. We need people who are ready to play now. Like I said, the man had 10 sacks. Will Smith is our highest paid defensive player, he had 6...and he was actually healthy. I'm sorry, but that to me is just too shortsighted to my liking. The "window" doesn't ever have to close if the franchise is smart about the moves it makes going forward - a big part of that is choosing the right free agents to sign to strengthen their roster and using the draft wisely to fill the holes left after free agency. A big part of this approach is to try and renew your player/prospect pool at a constant cycle, and that can be better done by adding younger players into the roster, who can potentially be signed below true market value while having them play their best football years with the franchise. Then see those players sign big contracts with other franchises while either receiving compensation for it or saving money by once again adding younger players into the roster with their best days still ahead of them. Now, I'm not discrediting the value of veteran players in the roster, because young players need role models from whom to learn what it takes to be a professional football player in the good sense, but I doubt a player like Abrahams is that type of a player - I'd much rather have someone like Vilma be that player. This franchise doesn't live or die with Drew Brees, and IMO his days are certainly not numbered as you put it, but like any other player on a roster; he'll have to be replaced in the near future, but that day isn't here yet. Danno and Crusader like this.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

03-09-2013, 08:20 PM	#8
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: John Abraham may visit Saints Originally Posted by rezburna why not? We signed Darren Sharper when he was that age. If he's not better then what we've already got you're fooling yourself. It doesn't matter if he's horrible with the option. The rest of the D is horrible at everything. Nobody is saying break the bank on him, but if he wants to come end his career with a ring I believe he's a good veteran leader and upgrade. Its 2 years. Not the 5 we just gave Drew, who is practically just as old. And Brady is 36 and Manning is 37. Favre was 40 when he retired officially, Warner was 38. QB lives longest in this league and takes less hits than everyone else.

03-09-2013, 12:50 PM	#9
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Re: John Abraham may visit Saints Originally Posted by rezburna If he's lost a step, yet still recorded 10 sacks like he did last year, I say give him a nice little 2 year deal. l guess nobody remembers him being the only player terrorizing Brees on the Falcons D the past several years. Also remember....Falcons played one of, if not the, easiest schedule in the NFL last season....I wouldn't put much stock in those sacks. ANd he's HORRIBLE against the read option. He's old and injury prone.....no thanks.

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