Are we looking at anyone???

burningmetal · 03-15-2013, 07:49 AM

Who is defaming anyone? The discussion is what it is. Nothing is taking away from it. And your definition of a score is what I'm talking about. I don't care what the rest of the league thinks of a guy. When I think of a significant free agent signing, I think of someone who makes his position markedly better.

Where I have a problem with certain people's take on it, is when they just name everyone on the team who wasn't originally drafted by the Saints, and make it seem as though they're all brilliant acquisitions. It's not hard to understand the point I'm making. Also, Drew Brees was not left off of anyone's list. He is among those I would consider to have been a "score". No freaking duh, of course he was... Thanks for the insight.

TheOak · 03-15-2013, 07:59 AM

The discussion is about players. Not someone's avatar area or signature block.

You are welcome to start a thread about that in the everything else area if you like.

burningmetal · 03-15-2013, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The discussion is about players. Not someone's avatar area or signature block.

You are welcome to start a thread about that in the everything else area if you like.

Hey Oak? I don't need your permission to speak my mind, pal. If somebody is going to claim that I "missed the point twice" when I very clearly explained myself the first time around, then that person can expect some sarcasm from me. That is not remotely what I could have said, if my intentions were to "defame" that person. Conversely, the insinuation that I missed the point twice was closer to fitting your description, than anything I said in my reply.

Speedy Ron · 03-15-2013, 08:16 AM

for clarity...a score = drew brees, sproles, lofton, greer.
the rest of the list...not scores...those are signings. Chris reis is not a score.

and to the comment about Lance Moore, as drew brees goes so does lance moore. moore is only good when playing for a good qb. he doesnt create seperation that often but he catches everything. brees throws him open and it works out great because he catches everything. pair moore with the likes of a matt ryan or alex smith and he rides pine

Keenan lewis appears to be a score.

TheOak · 03-15-2013, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

for clarity...a score = drew brees, sproles, lofton, greer.
the rest of the list...not scores...those are signings. Chris reis is not a score.

and to the comment about Lance Moore, as drew brees goes so does lance moore. moore is only good when playing for a good qb. he doesnt create seperation that often but he catches everything. brees throws him open and it works out great because he catches everything. pair moore with the likes of a matt ryan or alex smith and he rides pine

Keenan lewis appears to be a score.

Moore is not a separation receiver, he is a box receiver.... So is Graham, except Graham uses his size advantage, and Moore uses his agility. In my world, a receiver that catches EVERYTHING is a score.

Anquan Boldn is another box receiver.. No separation... Doesn't make him bad.

Separation does not define a good receiver, catches and 3rd down conversions does..

SaintsBro · 03-15-2013, 09:57 AM

So what is a team that "scores" in free agency, to the satisfaction of those people who think we are doing a poor job and never "score" enough in free agency. Who should the Saints emulate. What team has "scored" bigger free agent acquisitions, consistently nabbing superstars, with fewer or no duds, than the Saints, and I would like to compare what is their winning record over the same time span. If the Saints are doing such a bad job, including landing Brees, then who out there is superior to the Saints at "scoring" free agents, over the same time span, and what is their team's W/L record.

burningmetal · 03-16-2013, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

So what is a team that "scores" in free agency, to the satisfaction of those people who think we are doing a poor job and never "score" enough in free agency. Who should the Saints emulate. What team has "scored" bigger free agent acquisitions, consistently nabbing superstars, with fewer or no duds, than the Saints, and I would like to compare what is their winning record over the same time span. If the Saints are doing such a bad job, including landing Brees, then who out there is superior to the Saints at "scoring" free agents, over the same time span, and what is their team's W/L record.

I, for one, don't think we've been bad in free agency. But to be fair, we've won with mostly the same core of players on offense for the past several years. Sproles and Grubbs were easily the biggest signs since the superbowl year (though we had to lose Nicks to get Grubbs). Defensive personnel is always changing, but has never been a strength, save for the '09 season when we at least forced a lot of turnovers. A lot of loaded contracts are starting to pile up, and it's what has caused this scramble to create cap space. So this offseason will be Loomis' greatest test. I like the signing of Lewis, in principle. Now we just have to see if he lives up to expectations.

I give a lot of the credit to the scout department, finding these late round gems, and even a few UDFA's, the Brees signing was obviously the biggest move, and Sean Payton's system. I'm just not one of these "Mickey is a genius" kind of people. I remember a lot of bad years with Loomis, before Payton got here. Bringing in Drew and Sean are his crowning achievements, and I give him a pat on the back for that.

Jamessr · 03-15-2013, 10:23 AM

Whats funny is all this bickering back and forth and NONE of you have any control over it

TheOak · 03-15-2013, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

Whats funny is all this bickering back and forth and NONE of you have any control over it

I most certainly do have control over the bickering... See. I just drug you into it.

homerj07 · 05-11-2013, 08:37 PM

I think we did ok with the limited salary cap

03-15-2013, 07:49 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Are we looking at anyone??? Who is defaming anyone? The discussion is what it is. Nothing is taking away from it. And your definition of a score is what I'm talking about. I don't care what the rest of the league thinks of a guy. When I think of a significant free agent signing, I think of someone who makes his position markedly better. Where I have a problem with certain people's take on it, is when they just name everyone on the team who wasn't originally drafted by the Saints, and make it seem as though they're all brilliant acquisitions. It's not hard to understand the point I'm making. Also, Drew Brees was not left off of anyone's list. He is among those I would consider to have been a "score". No freaking duh, of course he was... Thanks for the insight.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-15-2013, 09:35 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Are we looking at anyone??? Originally Posted by TheOak The discussion is about players. Not someone's avatar area or signature block. You are welcome to start a thread about that in the everything else area if you like. Hey Oak? I don't need your permission to speak my mind, pal. If somebody is going to claim that I "missed the point twice" when I very clearly explained myself the first time around, then that person can expect some sarcasm from me. That is not remotely what I could have said, if my intentions were to "defame" that person. Conversely, the insinuation that I missed the point twice was closer to fitting your description, than anything I said in my reply.

03-15-2013, 08:16 AM	#4
Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	Re: Are we looking at anyone??? for clarity...a score = drew brees, sproles, lofton, greer. the rest of the list...not scores...those are signings. Chris reis is not a score. and to the comment about Lance Moore, as drew brees goes so does lance moore. moore is only good when playing for a good qb. he doesnt create seperation that often but he catches everything. brees throws him open and it works out great because he catches everything. pair moore with the likes of a matt ryan or alex smith and he rides pine Keenan lewis appears to be a score.

03-15-2013, 08:57 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Are we looking at anyone??? Originally Posted by Speedy Ron for clarity...a score = drew brees, sproles, lofton, greer. the rest of the list...not scores...those are signings. Chris reis is not a score. and to the comment about Lance Moore, as drew brees goes so does lance moore. moore is only good when playing for a good qb. he doesnt create seperation that often but he catches everything. brees throws him open and it works out great because he catches everything. pair moore with the likes of a matt ryan or alex smith and he rides pine Keenan lewis appears to be a score. Moore is not a separation receiver, he is a box receiver.... So is Graham, except Graham uses his size advantage, and Moore uses his agility. In my world, a receiver that catches EVERYTHING is a score. Anquan Boldn is another box receiver.. No separation... Doesn't make him bad. Separation does not define a good receiver, catches and 3rd down conversions does.. Jamessr and saintsfan403 like this.

03-15-2013, 09:57 AM	#6
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Are we looking at anyone??? So what is a team that "scores" in free agency, to the satisfaction of those people who think we are doing a poor job and never "score" enough in free agency. Who should the Saints emulate. What team has "scored" bigger free agent acquisitions, consistently nabbing superstars, with fewer or no duds, than the Saints, and I would like to compare what is their winning record over the same time span. If the Saints are doing such a bad job, including landing Brees, then who out there is superior to the Saints at "scoring" free agents, over the same time span, and what is their team's W/L record.

03-15-2013, 07:59 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	The discussion is about players. Not someone's avatar area or signature block. You are welcome to start a thread about that in the everything else area if you like.

03-16-2013, 11:48 AM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Are we looking at anyone??? Originally Posted by SaintsBro So what is a team that "scores" in free agency, to the satisfaction of those people who think we are doing a poor job and never "score" enough in free agency. Who should the Saints emulate. What team has "scored" bigger free agent acquisitions, consistently nabbing superstars, with fewer or no duds, than the Saints, and I would like to compare what is their winning record over the same time span. If the Saints are doing such a bad job, including landing Brees, then who out there is superior to the Saints at "scoring" free agents, over the same time span, and what is their team's W/L record. I, for one, don't think we've been bad in free agency. But to be fair, we've won with mostly the same core of players on offense for the past several years. Sproles and Grubbs were easily the biggest signs since the superbowl year (though we had to lose Nicks to get Grubbs). Defensive personnel is always changing, but has never been a strength, save for the '09 season when we at least forced a lot of turnovers. A lot of loaded contracts are starting to pile up, and it's what has caused this scramble to create cap space. So this offseason will be Loomis' greatest test. I like the signing of Lewis, in principle. Now we just have to see if he lives up to expectations. I give a lot of the credit to the scout department, finding these late round gems, and even a few UDFA's, the Brees signing was obviously the biggest move, and Sean Payton's system. I'm just not one of these "Mickey is a genius" kind of people. I remember a lot of bad years with Loomis, before Payton got here. Bringing in Drew and Sean are his crowning achievements, and I give him a pat on the back for that.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-15-2013, 10:23 AM	#8
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Are we looking at anyone??? Whats funny is all this bickering back and forth and NONE of you have any control over it

03-15-2013, 11:47 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Are we looking at anyone??? Originally Posted by Jamessr Whats funny is all this bickering back and forth and NONE of you have any control over it I most certainly do have control over the bickering... See. I just drug you into it. Seer1 likes this.

05-11-2013, 08:37 PM	#10
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Are we looking at anyone??? I think we did ok with the limited salary cap

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