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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Speedy Ron Now your getting it Danno... Huh? I got it from the very start Ron....
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03-15-2013, 08:57 AM | #52 |
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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron
Moore is not a separation receiver, he is a box receiver.... So is Graham, except Graham uses his size advantage, and Moore uses his agility. In my world, a receiver that catches EVERYTHING is a score.
Anquan Boldn is another box receiver.. No separation... Doesn't make him bad. Separation does not define a good receiver, catches and 3rd down conversions does.. |
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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron
Yes it is directed to you. There are plenty of players on there that played ALOT. They went after top tier players and some panned out and some did not. A large amount of these players started and helped lead the Saints to its only Super bowl.
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03-15-2013, 09:35 AM | #54 |
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Hey Oak? I don't need your permission to speak my mind, pal. If somebody is going to claim that I "missed the point twice" when I very clearly explained myself the first time around, then that person can expect some sarcasm from me. That is not remotely what I could have said, if my intentions were to "defame" that person. Conversely, the insinuation that I missed the point twice was closer to fitting your description, than anything I said in my reply.
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03-15-2013, 09:51 AM | #55 |
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Originally Posted by Danno
No. Read what I said again. Those weren't draft picks, they were undrafted free agents who other teams signed for a short period of time and released, where the Saints then signed them. Those are absolutely, by any definition, UDFA's.
And again, for the third time now, I agree that we've had some good signings, and I was not the one who said we NEVER score in free agency. I very simply did not agree with the list of players you compiled as being a significant group. You lumped them all together as if they were somehow comparable. Drew Brees, Darren Sproles, Darren Sharper (though we mostly got lucky with that one), Curtis Lofton, and, for a couple seasons anyway, Jabari Greer were all home runs in my book. The other guys are just interchangeable parts that every team has some version of. I'm not disrespecting those guys, but when I read things like "Saints sign Chris Chamberlain", I don't think to my self... 'YES! That's what I'm talking about!". I understand that a guy like that has a role to play, and I appreciate it. But it's not the type of move that solves a major problem. I sincerely hope we can stop arguing about whether or not we've ever scored on the market, as I've made it clear I think we have before. As for Lewis? Right now he's just a sign. I don't know much about him, and he is getting the type of reviews I've heard from other players we've brought in, in the past. I'll let you know after a few games next year. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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So what is a team that "scores" in free agency, to the satisfaction of those people who think we are doing a poor job and never "score" enough in free agency. Who should the Saints emulate. What team has "scored" bigger free agent acquisitions, consistently nabbing superstars, with fewer or no duds, than the Saints, and I would like to compare what is their winning record over the same time span. If the Saints are doing such a bad job, including landing Brees, then who out there is superior to the Saints at "scoring" free agents, over the same time span, and what is their team's W/L record.
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Whats funny is all this bickering back and forth and NONE of you have any control over it
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro
I, for one, don't think we've been bad in free agency. But to be fair, we've won with mostly the same core of players on offense for the past several years. Sproles and Grubbs were easily the biggest signs since the superbowl year (though we had to lose Nicks to get Grubbs). Defensive personnel is always changing, but has never been a strength, save for the '09 season when we at least forced a lot of turnovers. A lot of loaded contracts are starting to pile up, and it's what has caused this scramble to create cap space. So this offseason will be Loomis' greatest test. I like the signing of Lewis, in principle. Now we just have to see if he lives up to expectations.
I give a lot of the credit to the scout department, finding these late round gems, and even a few UDFA's, the Brees signing was obviously the biggest move, and Sean Payton's system. I'm just not one of these "Mickey is a genius" kind of people. I remember a lot of bad years with Loomis, before Payton got here. Bringing in Drew and Sean are his crowning achievements, and I give him a pat on the back for that. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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