I agree that we've had a few good signings, but that list above is watered down with a bunch of crappy players, average players, and undrafted free agents, which do not apply to the discussion.

We haven't had a lot of quantity over the years in free agency, but we've hit some home runs. There's no money for a home run this year. I'm hoping we can land a veteran who'll surprise us like Sharper did. We got lucky that other teams thought he had nothing left. It doesn't have to be a safety, but just someone who'll give us a boost at a good price.

This. You forgot to mention that of those 22 players he listed, 9 of them are no longer even on the team.

I didn't really forget, but he was listing all of what he sees as good free agent signings in recent history, and I'm just not seeing where that list, as a whole, makes a valid point. You're right though, a good bit of them are gone.

No, the list was to show that claiming "we NEVER score in free-agency" was shortsighted.

Many of the players I listed were signed to be roll players. They were not signed to be the next Drew Brees.

Thats our approach to free agency and its a good one. Sign roll players and mid-tier players to fill holes in order to draft BPA. If the occasion arises to sign a high dollar stud like Brees then take it.

I think your definition of score is a bit off, or at the least, we interpret it much differently. I don't think the person you were replying to, originally, was saying that we haven't signed decent role players. A score is getting a major contributor.

Also though, you listed some players who were rookie free agents, which is a different animal. It's easy to sign RFA's, and you can sign a ton without any real risk. Most of them get cut within weeks. And some of the players on that list just weren't, or aren't any good.

Tom Johnson is just another preseason warrior. Bunkley, to this point, has not validated his contract. De la peunta was somebody we signed off the shelf during a training camp. McCray had his moments, but was mostly ineffective, and he was given too much money to be a role player. He was expected to be a starter who could come in and post at least 9 or 10 sacks. And guys like Prioleau and Reis were just special teamers. Decent special teamers, and I'm not downplaying their importance, but those aren't the type of players I think of as being a "score".

This doesn't mean the Saints have done a bad job, though they've made some mistakes in free agency. I just think that list was a bit exaggerated.

I didn't list any UDFA's did I?

And again my point, that apparently you totally missed twice now, was that claiming that we NEVER score was absurd.

What exactly do you not understand about the word NEVER?

Perhaps if you weren't too busy being an over confident, self proclaimed "truth addict", you could have been able to read the first line of my first reply. It said "I agree that we've had a few good signings". I know we've done some good things, and that is precisely why I made a point of agreeing with you there. So ummm, no. I did not miss your point. But thanks anyway for the annoying huge letters.

However, you then you proceeded to give a very unimpressive list of players, with the couple exceptions. And in my opinion, it watered down your attempt to push your argument.

Since you asked me if you listed any UDFA's, the short answer is yes. Here they are:

Isa Abdul Quddus- He was originally signed by the Saints an undrafted free agent.

Lance Moore- He was initially signed by the Browns as an undrafted free agent, then subsequently released and signed by the Saints, was released later on, and then re-signed. Don't call this a genius move, when they stole this guy and almost let him walk away.

Steve Gleason- Similar to Moore, he was signed as an UDFA -by the Colts in this case- released shortly thereafter, and signed by the Saints.

So yes, as I said, you mentioned a lot of either crappy players, average players, or UDFA's who should not be counted when discussing free agency. You're not fighting a pack of wolves to sign a rookie free agent, such as you do with proven veterans.

Also, many of the other players you listed were undrafted free agents originally, but we signed those players years after, so they do classify as veteran free agents, but we signed those guys of the scrapheap. De La Peunta bounced around practice squads for 4 years until he got here. That's not the same as going into the free agent market and identifying a guy who you think can make you better. It's just plain luck for the Saints, and hard work by De La Peunta.