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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal Perhaps if you weren't too busy being an over confident, self proclaimed "truth addict", you could have been able to read the first line of my first reply. It said "I agree that we've had a ...

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Old 03-15-2013, 08:12 AM   #1
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Re: Are we looking at anyone???

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Perhaps if you weren't too busy being an over confident, self proclaimed "truth addict", you could have been able to read the first line of my first reply. It said "I agree that we've had a few good signings". I know we've done some good things, and that is precisely why I made a point of agreeing with you there. So ummm, no. I did not miss your point. But thanks anyway for the annoying huge letters.

However, you then you proceeded to give a very unimpressive list of players, with the couple exceptions. And in my opinion, it watered down your attempt to push your argument.

Since you asked me if you listed any UDFA's, the short answer is yes. Here they are:

Isa Abdul Quddus- He was originally signed by the Saints an undrafted free agent.

Lance Moore- He was initially signed by the Browns as an undrafted free agent, then subsequently released and signed by the Saints, was released later on, and then re-signed. Don't call this a genius move, when they stole this guy and almost let him walk away.

Steve Gleason- Similar to Moore, he was signed as an UDFA -by the Colts in this case- released shortly thereafter, and signed by the Saints.

So yes, as I said, you mentioned a lot of either crappy players, average players, or UDFA's who should not be counted when discussing free agency. You're not fighting a pack of wolves to sign a rookie free agent, such as you do with proven veterans.

Also, many of the other players you listed were undrafted free agents originally, but we signed those players years after, so they do classify as veteran free agents, but we signed those guys of the scrapheap. De La Peunta bounced around practice squads for 4 years until he got here. That's not the same as going into the free agent market and identifying a guy who you think can make you better. It's just plain luck for the Saints, and hard work by De La Peunta.
I don't consider signing players someone else drafted as one of our UDFA's.

But you are right. IAQ is the only one I listed that we signed as an UDFA. All the rest we signed as free-agent.

If you're claiming that "scoring in free agency" is the equivalent of a Drew Brees signing than I agree with you. We never score, and 31 other teams never score either.

Do you consider Keenan Lewis a score? I do.
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:17 AM   #2
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Re: Are we looking at anyone???

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I don't consider signing players someone else drafted as one of our UDFA's.

But you are right. IAQ is the only one I listed that we signed as an UDFA. All the rest we signed as free-agent.

If you're claiming that "scoring in free agency" is the equivalent of a Drew Brees signing than I agree with you. We never score, and 31 other teams never score either.

Do you consider Keenan Lewis a score? I do.
Now your getting it Danno...

Dont you feel better about this signing than when they signed Chris Reis or Peirson Preilou?
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:18 AM   #3
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Now your getting it Danno...
Huh?

I got it from the very start Ron.
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I don't consider signing players someone else drafted as one of our UDFA's.

But you are right. IAQ is the only one I listed that we signed as an UDFA. All the rest we signed as free-agent.

If you're claiming that "scoring in free agency" is the equivalent of a Drew Brees signing than I agree with you. We never score, and 31 other teams never score either.

Do you consider Keenan Lewis a score? I do.
No. Read what I said again. Those weren't draft picks, they were undrafted free agents who other teams signed for a short period of time and released, where the Saints then signed them. Those are absolutely, by any definition, UDFA's.

And again, for the third time now, I agree that we've had some good signings, and I was not the one who said we NEVER score in free agency. I very simply did not agree with the list of players you compiled as being a significant group. You lumped them all together as if they were somehow comparable. Drew Brees, Darren Sproles, Darren Sharper (though we mostly got lucky with that one), Curtis Lofton, and, for a couple seasons anyway, Jabari Greer were all home runs in my book.

The other guys are just interchangeable parts that every team has some version of. I'm not disrespecting those guys, but when I read things like "Saints sign Chris Chamberlain", I don't think to my self... 'YES! That's what I'm talking about!". I understand that a guy like that has a role to play, and I appreciate it. But it's not the type of move that solves a major problem.

I sincerely hope we can stop arguing about whether or not we've ever scored on the market, as I've made it clear I think we have before. As for Lewis? Right now he's just a sign. I don't know much about him, and he is getting the type of reviews I've heard from other players we've brought in, in the past. I'll let you know after a few games next year.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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