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Speedy Ron 03-13-2013 06:41 PM

Are we looking at anyone???
 
We never really score in free agency, it's always really frustrating to monitor. But are we even looking at anyone? Worst defense in history, same personnel and 3 different coordinators. Are we just going to draft our way out of this with our watered down draft picks? Drew Bree's high contract is going to cripple the team until he retires. I love the guy too...but let's be honest here. We also need to find a LT. One of the most important positions on offense.

TheEnigma 03-13-2013 06:43 PM

Re: Are we looking at anyone???
 
I told you in that text I sent you, that we are looking at Nnamdi Asomugha!!!!!!

Speedy Ron 03-13-2013 06:45 PM

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So are 5 other teams with more money than us. Is that all we got?

Danno 03-13-2013 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 486059)
We never really score in free agency, it's always really frustrating to monitor. But are we even looking at anyone? Worst defense in history, same personnel and 3 different coordinators. Are we just going to draft our way out of this with our watered down draft picks? Drew Bree's high contract is going to cripple the team until he retires. I love the guy too...but let's be honest here. We also need to find a LT. One of the most important positions on offense.

OMG seriously? You must be kidding.

TheEnigma 03-13-2013 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 486061)
So are 5 other teams with more money than us. Is that all we got?

No, we are also looking at Derek Cox and Kennan Lewis

Speedy Ron 03-13-2013 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 486063)
OMG seriously? You must be kidding.

Who besides Bree's? One maybe two people?

TheEnigma 03-13-2013 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 486068)
Who besides Bree's? One maybe two people?

True, but I think we will sign someone soon

Danno 03-13-2013 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 486068)
Who besides Bree's? One maybe two people?

Darren Sharper, Curtis Lofton, Brodrick Bunkley, Tom Johnson, Jonathan Goodwin, David Hawthorne, Dave Thomas, Brian de la Puente, Ben Grubbs, Darren Sproles, Jed Collins, Jeremy Shockey, Lance Moore, Bobby McCray, Anthony Hargrove, Jabari Greer, Issa Abdul Quddus, Rafeal Bush, Pierson Prielou, Courtney Roby, Chris Reis, Steve Gleason...

Again... Seriously?

saintsfan403 03-13-2013 07:10 PM

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Hahaha YES!

Speedy Ron 03-13-2013 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 486073)
Darren Sharper, Curtis Lofton, Brodrick Bunkley, Tom Johnson, Jonathan Goodwin, David Hawthorne, Dave Thomas, Brian de la Puente, Ben Grubbs, Darren Sproles, Jed Collins, Jeremy Shockey, Lance Moore, Bobby McCray, Anthony Hargrove, Jabari Greer, Issa Abdul Quddus, Rafeal Bush, Pierson Prielou, Courtney Roby, Chris Reis, Steve Gleason...

Again... Seriously?

Seriously.
Sharper...one season, thanks
Lofton... I like
Tom Johnson....seriously. He's awesome
Dave Thomas, don't think he was a FA. Not a starter
De la puente...he's ok
Grubs... I like
Sproles...I like
Shockey...thanks for your one good year
Lance Moore...could survive without him
McCray?...seriously
Hargrove?...seriously
Greer...he's been good
Quddus...seriously...let me guess...he shows signs of being good
Rafael bush...seriously...he must show signs too
Prieuleu...seriously
Roby...that's a great signing...can't go on without him
Chris reis...laughable

I stand corrected...4 good signings...not one or two

Danno 03-13-2013 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 486085)
Seriously.
Sharper...one season, thanks
Lofton... I like
Tom Johnson....seriously. He's awesome
Dave Thomas, don't think he was a FA. Not a starter
De la puente...he's ok
Grubs... I like
Sproles...I like
Shockey...thanks for your one good year
Lance Moore...could survive without him
McCray?...seriously
Hargrove?...seriously
Greer...he's been good
Quddus...seriously...let me guess...he shows signs of being good
Rafael bush...seriously...he must show signs too
Prieuleu...seriously
Roby...that's a great signing...can't go on without him
Chris reis...laughable

I stand corrected...4 good signings...not one or two

I'm sorry, when you said we NEVER score in free agency, I thought you meant we NEVER score in free agency.

Silly me.:rolleyes:

Rell&Gold 03-13-2013 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 486073)
Darren Sharper, Curtis Lofton, Brodrick Bunkley, Tom Johnson, Jonathan Goodwin, David Hawthorne, Dave Thomas, Brian de la Puente, Ben Grubbs, Darren Sproles, Jed Collins, Jeremy Shockey, Lance Moore, Bobby McCray, Anthony Hargrove, Jabari Greer, Issa Abdul Quddus, Rafeal Bush, Pierson Prielou, Courtney Roby, Chris Reis, Steve Gleason...

Again... Seriously?

Agree with everyone except McCray smh @ that dude

TheEnigma 03-13-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 486088)
Agree with everyone except McCray smh @ that dude

Disagree with everyone except for Grubbs, Lofton and Sporles

Speedy Ron 03-13-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 486086)
I'm sorry, when you said we NEVER score in free agency, I thought you meant we NEVER score in free agency.

Silly me.:rolleyes:

I think u confused score with sign. We also signed Jason David.

Speedy Ron 03-13-2013 07:40 PM

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Shockley was also a trade. Everyone else on that list , that sucked,didn't draw interest from anyone else and were signed way after free agency began. Give me someone on day 1 of free agency.

Jamessr 03-13-2013 08:13 PM

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For what it's worth at this time right now I'm not happy with what we lost and what we've gained. Hopefully all that changes

SmashMouth 03-13-2013 08:20 PM

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Maybe it also means we get more compensatory picks.

voodooido 03-13-2013 08:21 PM

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2008 - Randall Gay, Bobby McCray, Dan Morgan, Aaron Glenn, Mark Brunell
2007 - Brian Simmons, David Patten, Eric Johnson, Jason David, Kevin Kaesviharn, Troy Evans, Kendrick Clancy, Dhani Jones
2006 - Brees, Scott Fujita, Anthony Simmons, Mark Campbell, Billy Miller, Terrance Copper, Rob Petitti, Danny Clark, Chris Horn, Omar Stoutmire, Curtis Deloatch, Jay Foreman, Tommy Polley
2009 - Darren Sharper, Jabari Greer, Darnell Dinkins, Anthony Hargrove, Pierson Prioleau, Paul Spicer, Heath Evans, Dan Campbell
2010 - Alex Brown, Jimmy Wilkerson, Clint Ingram
2011 - Darren Sproles, Olin Kreutz, Shaun Rogers, Aubrayo Franklin, John Gilmore, Will Herring, Turk McBride, John Kasay, Korey Hall
2012 - Curtis Lofton, Ben Grubbs, Brodrick Bunkley, David Hawthorne, Chris Chamberlain, Elbert Mack, Rafael Bush

Not quite sure if you make any sense......

AllSaints 03-13-2013 08:47 PM

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Without Brees we wouldn't have a chance of winning so they had to pay the man... He brought a sb to new Orleans ... had to pay the man ! ... Sure it kinda hurts us in the FA signings but Gotta have faith that Loomis n Payton.... WE will be a strong contender this year no doubt we have r coach back...

4thqtrsaint 03-13-2013 09:22 PM

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Wow. 2 NFC Championship games, Super Bowl ring, several seasons with double digit wins & multiple playoff appearances.

If only we could get Ditka back, but as GM this time. This Loomis/Payton/Brees thing just isn't working out. :P

Speedy Ron 03-13-2013 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 486113)
2008 - Randall Gay, Bobby McCray, Dan Morgan, Aaron Glenn, Mark Brunell
2007 - Brian Simmons, David Patten, Eric Johnson, Jason David, Kevin Kaesviharn, Troy Evans, Kendrick Clancy, Dhani Jones
2006 - Brees, Scott Fujita, Anthony Simmons, Mark Campbell, Billy Miller, Terrance Copper, Rob Petitti, Danny Clark, Chris Horn, Omar Stoutmire, Curtis Deloatch, Jay Foreman, Tommy Polley
2009 - Darren Sharper, Jabari Greer, Darnell Dinkins, Anthony Hargrove, Pierson Prioleau, Paul Spicer, Heath Evans, Dan Campbell
2010 - Alex Brown, Jimmy Wilkerson, Clint Ingram
2011 - Darren Sproles, Olin Kreutz, Shaun Rogers, Aubrayo Franklin, John Gilmore, Will Herring, Turk McBride, John Kasay, Korey Hall
2012 - Curtis Lofton, Ben Grubbs, Brodrick Bunkley, David Hawthorne, Chris Chamberlain, Elbert Mack, Rafael Bush

Not quite sure if you make any sense......

Who are u directing this to? Me? There are 4 people on here worth a $h!t. Loft on, Grubbs, sproles, Greer are the only good ones. Everyone else played one season, if that. This is a funny list though.dan Morgan,Brian Simmons, dhabi jones. Did they leave off zack Thomas, he got a concussion from putting his helmet on. Olin Keutz quit...QUIT. Chris horn...who? Aaron glen was a senior citizen. John Kasey was good, fujita, billy miller was ok.

hagan714 03-13-2013 09:41 PM

Re: Are we looking at anyone???
 
saints have never been big spenders in FA over the last few years so its a crap shoot but all in all considering the tier 2 and tier 3 players on list we got more than our moneys worth out of most of them

Rugby Saint II 03-13-2013 09:43 PM

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Day two.......come and gone! Did we really expect anything different?

saintsfan403 03-13-2013 09:47 PM

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BUT LIKE ARE WE EVEN LOOKING? WHY HAVEN'T WE JUMPED ON THE BANDWAGON OF PAYING THROUGH THE NOSE FOR OLD OR OVERRATED PLAYERS??!! LIKE COME ON LOOOOOOOMI$ I KNO U READ DIS

hagan714 03-13-2013 09:56 PM

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let the market price on CB set itself first is what is going on. no CB have really signed yet so agents are holding the players off till other top CB start signing.

player would need to tell his agent make it happen this is the team i want to play for

burningmetal 03-13-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 486073)
Darren Sharper, Curtis Lofton, Brodrick Bunkley, Tom Johnson, Jonathan Goodwin, David Hawthorne, Dave Thomas, Brian de la Puente, Ben Grubbs, Darren Sproles, Jed Collins, Jeremy Shockey, Lance Moore, Bobby McCray, Anthony Hargrove, Jabari Greer, Issa Abdul Quddus, Rafeal Bush, Pierson Prielou, Courtney Roby, Chris Reis, Steve Gleason...

Again... Seriously?

I agree that we've had a few good signings, but that list above is watered down with a bunch of crappy players, average players, and undrafted free agents, which do not apply to the discussion.

We haven't had a lot of quantity over the years in free agency, but we've hit some home runs. There's no money for a home run this year. I'm hoping we can land a veteran who'll surprise us like Sharper did. We got lucky that other teams thought he had nothing left. It doesn't have to be a safety, but just someone who'll give us a boost at a good price.

TheEnigma 03-13-2013 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 486150)
I agree that we've had a few good signings, but that list above is watered down with a bunch of crappy players, average players, and undrafted free agents, which do not apply to the discussion.

We haven't had a lot of quantity over the years in free agency, but we've hit some home runs. There's no money for a home run this year. I'm hoping we can land a veteran who'll surprise us like Sharper did. We got lucky that other teams thought he had nothing left. It doesn't have to be a safety, but just someone who'll give us a boost at a good price.

This. You forgot to mention that of those 22 players he listed, 9 of them are no longer even on the team.

st thomas 03-13-2013 10:15 PM

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payton and loomis is tag teamin on these questions we all have. thats what paytons really good at ,he don't tell us tocrapo.

burningmetal 03-14-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheEnigma (Post 486151)
This. You forgot to mention that of those 22 players he listed, 9 of them are no longer even on the team.

I didn't really forget, but he was listing all of what he sees as good free agent signings in recent history, and I'm just not seeing where that list, as a whole, makes a valid point. You're right though, a good bit of them are gone.

ProMallNinja 03-14-2013 09:59 AM

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Part of winning the battle of free agency is stocking up on roll players and mid-level talent. There isn't a team in the NFL that is just slam full of superstars. Hell, the last time a team tried that approach through free agency the Eagles got Andy Reid fired. To ***** about the wins and loses at the mid-level free agency signings is to show an ignorance of how the NFL works. We have a great GM/HC combination. Let them do their job. They have proven to be pretty damn good at it so far.

burningmetal 03-14-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ProMallNinja (Post 486276)
Part of winning the battle of free agency is stocking up on roll players and mid-level talent. There isn't a team in the NFL that is just slam full of superstars. Hell, the last time a team tried that approach through free agency the Eagles got Andy Reid fired. To ***** about the wins and loses at the mid-level free agency signings is to show an ignorance of how the NFL works. We have a great GM/HC combination. Let them do their job. They have proven to be pretty damn good at it so far.

I think most, if not everyone in here understands the importance of roll players, so you're right about that. But that's not really the issue at hand. We have plenty of mid level talent, already, and without a doubt they'll find some more of those guys. But the defense needs more than that, and we're all rather curious as to how it's holes are going to be filled, given our cap situation.

Danno 03-14-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 486263)
I didn't really forget, but he was listing all of what he sees as good free agent signings in recent history, and I'm just not seeing where that list, as a whole, makes a valid point. You're right though, a good bit of them are gone.

No, the list was to show that claiming "we NEVER score in free-agency" was shortsighted.

Many of the players I listed were signed to be roll players. They were not signed to be the next Drew Brees.

Thats our approach to free agency and its a good one. Sign roll players and mid-tier players to fill holes in order to draft BPA. If the occasion arises to sign a high dollar stud like Brees then take it.

TheOak 03-14-2013 11:00 AM

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We were looking hard at Shanle apparently.

NuNu318 03-14-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 486298)
We were looking hard at Shanle apparently.

Its a fake account dude....

TheOak 03-14-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NuNu318 (Post 486304)
Its a fake account dude....

What is a fake account dude?

NuNu318 03-14-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 486306)
What is a fake account dude?

That tweet from a fake Larry Holder twitter account in the other thread you made about them signing Shanle....

burningmetal 03-14-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 486297)
No, the list was to show that claiming "we NEVER score in free-agency" was shortsighted.

Many of the players I listed were signed to be roll players. They were not signed to be the next Drew Brees.

Thats our approach to free agency and its a good one. Sign roll players and mid-tier players to fill holes in order to draft BPA. If the occasion arises to sign a high dollar stud like Brees then take it.

I think your definition of score is a bit off, or at the least, we interpret it much differently. I don't think the person you were replying to, originally, was saying that we haven't signed decent role players. A score is getting a major contributor.

Also though, you listed some players who were rookie free agents, which is a different animal. It's easy to sign RFA's, and you can sign a ton without any real risk. Most of them get cut within weeks. And some of the players on that list just weren't, or aren't any good.

Tom Johnson is just another preseason warrior. Bunkley, to this point, has not validated his contract. De la peunta was somebody we signed off the shelf during a training camp. McCray had his moments, but was mostly ineffective, and he was given too much money to be a role player. He was expected to be a starter who could come in and post at least 9 or 10 sacks. And guys like Prioleau and Reis were just special teamers. Decent special teamers, and I'm not downplaying their importance, but those aren't the type of players I think of as being a "score".

This doesn't mean the Saints have done a bad job, though they've made some mistakes in free agency. I just think that list was a bit exaggerated.

SaintsBro 03-14-2013 12:36 PM

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Chris Reis, "laughable"?


Come on man... you want us to give the Lombardi back or something? Ever heard of AMBUSH, "blue ball, blue ball" Hank Baskett -- is any of this ringing any bells with you?

I mean I know he's not a Hall of Fame superstar but really, SMH at that one. Plus ragging on Sharper, only one year -- but take away those pick 6's of his and see what you got left that "only one year." Hint: it ain't 13-3 and it ain't home field.

Sheez. Tough crowd.

TheOak 03-14-2013 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NuNu318 (Post 486308)
That tweet from a fake Larry Holder twitter account in the other thread you made about them signing Shanle....


FKN Goodell!

Speedy Ron 03-14-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 486337)
Chris Reis, "laughable"?


Come on man... you want us to give the Lombardi back or something? Ever heard of AMBUSH, "blue ball, blue ball" Hank Baskett -- is any of this ringing any bells with you?

I mean I know he's not a Hall of Fame superstar but really, SMH at that one. Plus ragging on Sharper, only one year -- but take away those pick 6's of his and see what you got left that "only one year." Hint: it ain't 13-3 and it ain't home field.

Sheez. Tough crowd.

your missing the point my friend. when presenting an argument that negates my points dont throw chris reis at me. a good point he made would be sproles as an example. we need an immediate impact player on defense NOW. Brees is getting no younger and by the looks of last year...not any better either. The elephant in the room is brees' "highest paid player in the league" contract. cut that in half or 1/3 and you get 2 immediate starters on defense. you get yourself a cliff avril instead of begging will smith to restructure. obviously im not privy to all the details of the saints organization, but as a fan, like i stated....Free Agency is tough to watch.
Teams sign people left and right and we the guys that no one wants, two weeks after. we get depth at best who end up starting. i bet 1/2 of our Def wouldnt start on a top 10 defensive team. the free agent starters/ weekly contributors are signed in the first few days of FA....not at the end.


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