What exactly are we complaining about?

AsylumGuido · 03-14-2013, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Jenkins ran a 4.46 - 4.51 at his Pro Day and a 4.55 at the combine.

So... I'm a little confused here.

And I remember at least a couple of huge plays that Jenkins made by running an opposing player down. I don't get it either.

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Jenkins ran a 4.46 - 4.51 at his Pro Day and a 4.55 at the combine.

So... I'm a little confused here.

Oh and he also posted the best three-cone time for corners at the combine.

Since when did a 4.55 become fast for a defensive back drafted with intent to play cornerback? The three-cone drill is based on quickness, change of direction, and acceleration...not speed. Malcolm Jenkins is not fast. He chased down Vincent Jackson, who looked exhausted and was pulling up. Not to mention he isn't that fast either. Jenkins made some big plays. He's got potential, but this is the make it or break it year for him.

papz · 03-14-2013, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Since when did a 4.55 become fast for a defensive back drafted with intent to play cornerback?

I guess you just completely ignored the other two times he posted. You called him slow, I didn't call him a burner. He has more than enough speed to play the position and certainly not one would characterize as slow.

The three-cone drill is based on quickness, change of direction, and acceleration...not speed.

Which is key for cornerback play. They're not running 40 yard dashes out there on the football field. It's not a track meet.

Malcolm Jenkins is not fast.

Meh.

He chased down Vincent Jackson, who looked exhausted and was pulling up. Not to mention he isn't that fast either. Jenkins made some big plays. He's got potential, but this is the make it or break it year for him.

Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46.

Just stop dude.

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I guess you just completely ignored the other two times he posted. You called him slow, I didn't call him a burner. He has more than enough speed to play the position and certainly not one would characterize as slow.

Which is key for cornerback play. They're not running 40 yard dashes out there on the football field. It's not a track meet.

Meh.

Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46.

Just stop dude.

First of all, those 40 times average out to a 4.50. It's still not fast. I don't care what you say, or how you try to turn it around. A 4.50 is not fast for a supposed cornerback. It's a decent speed, for a FS, but it's still not even fast for that position. Jenkins was the number 1 cornerback coming out of the draft that year. He fell to 14 because of his lack of speed. Deion Sanders stated that he needed to move to safety because he wasn't fast enough for cornerback, nor did he have the footwork. Guess where he got moved to?

Vincent Jackson is 30 years old. So correction, he RAN a 4.46. He's probably running the same speed as Jenkins at this age.

As far as the characteristic I named being essential for corner play, sure. You could say that. But the TRUE characteristic needed to play cornerback is the ability to cover and/or stay with your man. He didn't have the speed to do it. So he got moved. So dude, please stop making excuses for him. He's not fast.

nola_swammi · 03-14-2013, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

First of all, those 40 times average out to a 4.50. It's still not fast. I don't care what you say, or how you try to turn it around. A 4.50 is not fast for a supposed cornerback. It's a decent speed, for a FS, but it's still not even fast for that position. .

Jabari Greer won seven individual state track championships.

Jabari Greer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jabari Greer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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40 Yard Dash: 4.50 seconds
Jabari Greer - CB - Tennessee - 2004 NFL Combine Results

Usain Bolt have a slow 40 but no one can pass him in the 100 meter. They need to change the 40x to 100 meters. The avg qb can throw 55 to 65 yards

saintsfan403 · 03-14-2013, 02:54 PM

Just people panicking cause we aren't trying to pay players as much as we can like the dolphins or bucs.

st thomas · 03-14-2013, 02:56 PM

I.ve seen jenkins run its not his speed its his angle to the dangle.

westbankdaze · 03-14-2013, 03:11 PM

We need a NT and some better LB.

lee909 · 03-14-2013, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

We need a NT and some better LB.

There are a few decent NT in the midrounds of the draft.Same with LB,though id like to get Barwin.

My hope is with certain teams needing players(Rams WR etc) we can move back and pick up some extra picks

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 03:18 PM

And I don't see why people want a NT. Bunkley is meant to be a 3-4 tackle. That's the system he thrived in.

03-14-2013, 02:55 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,713	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by papz Jenkins ran a 4.46 - 4.51 at his Pro Day and a 4.55 at the combine. So... I'm a little confused here. And I remember at least a couple of huge plays that Jenkins made by running an opposing player down. I don't get it either.

03-14-2013, 03:15 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by papz Jenkins ran a 4.46 - 4.51 at his Pro Day and a 4.55 at the combine. So... I'm a little confused here. Oh and he also posted the best three-cone time for corners at the combine. Since when did a 4.55 become fast for a defensive back drafted with intent to play cornerback? The three-cone drill is based on quickness, change of direction, and acceleration...not speed. Malcolm Jenkins is not fast. He chased down Vincent Jackson, who looked exhausted and was pulling up. Not to mention he isn't that fast either. Jenkins made some big plays. He's got potential, but this is the make it or break it year for him.

03-14-2013, 03:31 PM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by rezburna Since when did a 4.55 become fast for a defensive back drafted with intent to play cornerback? I guess you just completely ignored the other two times he posted. You called him slow, I didn't call him a burner. He has more than enough speed to play the position and certainly not one would characterize as slow. The three-cone drill is based on quickness, change of direction, and acceleration...not speed. Which is key for cornerback play. They're not running 40 yard dashes out there on the football field. It's not a track meet. Malcolm Jenkins is not fast. Meh. He chased down Vincent Jackson, who looked exhausted and was pulling up. Not to mention he isn't that fast either. Jenkins made some big plays. He's got potential, but this is the make it or break it year for him. Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. Just stop dude.

03-14-2013, 04:18 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by papz I guess you just completely ignored the other two times he posted. You called him slow, I didn't call him a burner. He has more than enough speed to play the position and certainly not one would characterize as slow. Which is key for cornerback play. They're not running 40 yard dashes out there on the football field. It's not a track meet. Meh. Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. Just stop dude. First of all, those 40 times average out to a 4.50. It's still not fast. I don't care what you say, or how you try to turn it around. A 4.50 is not fast for a supposed cornerback. It's a decent speed, for a FS, but it's still not even fast for that position. Jenkins was the number 1 cornerback coming out of the draft that year. He fell to 14 because of his lack of speed. Deion Sanders stated that he needed to move to safety because he wasn't fast enough for cornerback, nor did he have the footwork. Guess where he got moved to? Vincent Jackson is 30 years old. So correction, he RAN a 4.46. He's probably running the same speed as Jenkins at this age. As far as the characteristic I named being essential for corner play, sure. You could say that. But the TRUE characteristic needed to play cornerback is the ability to cover and/or stay with your man. He didn't have the speed to do it. So he got moved. So dude, please stop making excuses for him. He's not fast.

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by westbankdaze We need a NT and some better LB. There are a few decent NT in the midrounds of the draft.Same with LB,though id like to get Barwin. My hope is with certain teams needing players(Rams WR etc) we can move back and pick up some extra picks

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? And I don't see why people want a NT. Bunkley is meant to be a 3-4 tackle. That's the system he thrived in. lee909 and K Major like this.

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