What exactly are we complaining about?

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I guess you just completely ignored the other two times he posted. You called him slow, I didn't call him a burner. He has more than enough speed to play the position and certainly not one would characterize as slow.

Which is key for cornerback play. They're not running 40 yard dashes out there on the football field. It's not a track meet.

Meh.

Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46.

Just stop dude.

First of all, those 40 times average out to a 4.50. It's still not fast. I don't care what you say, or how you try to turn it around. A 4.50 is not fast for a supposed cornerback. It's a decent speed, for a FS, but it's still not even fast for that position. Jenkins was the number 1 cornerback coming out of the draft that year. He fell to 14 because of his lack of speed. Deion Sanders stated that he needed to move to safety because he wasn't fast enough for cornerback, nor did he have the footwork. Guess where he got moved to?

Vincent Jackson is 30 years old. So correction, he RAN a 4.46. He's probably running the same speed as Jenkins at this age.

As far as the characteristic I named being essential for corner play, sure. You could say that. But the TRUE characteristic needed to play cornerback is the ability to cover and/or stay with your man. He didn't have the speed to do it. So he got moved. So dude, please stop making excuses for him. He's not fast.

nola_swammi · 03-14-2013, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

First of all, those 40 times average out to a 4.50. It's still not fast. I don't care what you say, or how you try to turn it around. A 4.50 is not fast for a supposed cornerback. It's a decent speed, for a FS, but it's still not even fast for that position. .

Jabari Greer won seven individual state track championships.

Jabari Greer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jabari Greer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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40 Yard Dash: 4.50 seconds
Jabari Greer - CB - Tennessee - 2004 NFL Combine Results

Usain Bolt have a slow 40 but no one can pass him in the 100 meter. They need to change the 40x to 100 meters. The avg qb can throw 55 to 65 yards

Danno · 03-14-2013, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Jabari Greer won seven individual state track championships. Jabari Greer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

40 Yard Dash: 4.50 seconds
Jabari Greer - CB - Tennessee - 2004 NFL Combine Results

Usain Bolt have a slow 40 but no one can pass him in the 100 meter. They need to change the 40x to 100 meters. The avg qb can throw 55 to 65 yards

Fun fact: The NFL settled on the 40 because at that time that was the average distance a player must run to cover an NFL punt.

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Jabari Greer won seven individual state track championships. Jabari Greer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

40 Yard Dash: 4.50 seconds
Jabari Greer - CB - Tennessee - 2004 NFL Combine Results

Usain Bolt have a slow 40 but no one can pass him in the 100 meter. They need to change the 40x to 100 meters. The avg qb can throw 55 to 65 yards

Did you just try to make your point with high school accolades?

nola_swammi · 03-14-2013, 07:16 PM

I am just saying you can't go by forty to determine speed maybe excelleration but not speed

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I am just saying you can't go by forty to determine speed maybe excelleration but not speed

I'm saying though, 100 meters is 109 yards. That's the whole football field. Running 40 yards actually happens on every play. A football field is about 53 feet long. If you're a safety you're running from sideline to sideline. It matters. But like I said, I'm just going to give it up.

How about that Keenan Lewis???

Danno · 03-14-2013, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I am just saying you can't go by forty to determine speed maybe excelleration but not speed

dash - T-shirt, shorts, straight line, track start.

NFL- Full gear, avoiding contact and often getting physically disrupted, often turning a 180 from a back-pedal, half-fatigued from exertion, running with your head on a swivel, anticipation/instinc advantages...

The 40 is merely one of numerous evaluation tools and isn't a true indicator of NFL speed.

And in the NFL the race always starts after contact, which is actually a jogging start, not a track start. Someone skilled at a track start probably has at least a 10th of a second advantage over someone not skilled at a track start.

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

dash - T-shirt, shorts, straight line, track start.

NFL- Full gear, avoiding contact and often getting physically disrupted, often turning a 180 from a back-pedal, half-fatigued from exertion, running with your head on a swivel, anticipation/instinc advantages...

The 40 is merely one of numerous evaluation tools and isn't a true indicator of NFL speed.

And in the NFL the race always starts after contact, which is actually a jogging start, not a track start. Someone skilled at a track start probably has at least a 10th of a second advantage over someone not skilled at a track start.

Couldn't that be a double edged sword? The got who ran a 4.5 could be even slower then the linebacker who ran the 4.7.

Example: Roman Harper vs Curtis Lofton

Danno · 03-14-2013, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Couldn't that be a double edged sword? The got who ran a 4.5 could be even slower then the linebacker who ran the 4.7.

Example: Roman Harper vs Curtis Lofton

Slower how? If your referring to running thru traffic, change of direction, running in an arc or zig-zag instead of a straight line, then yes. Jenkins ran a pedestrian 40, but recorded one of the fasted 3-cones in combine history.

It is absolutely possible that someone who ran a 4.5 40 could be slower in NFL action than a guy who ran a 4.8.

Bad example though, I think Harper would run circles around Lofton, but your point is absolutely 100% correct.

Ray Lewis ran a pretty slow 4.81 40 at the combine. I don't know anyone on the planet that thinks he was a slow LB.

UK_WhoDat · 03-16-2013, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Originally Posted by rezburna

First of all, those 40 times average out to a 4.50. It's still not fast. I don't care what you say, or how you try to turn it around. A 4.50 is not fast for a supposed cornerback....

Jabari Greer won seven individual state track championships. ....
40 Yard Dash: 4.50 seconds
Jabari Greer - CB - Tennessee - 2004 NFL Combine Results

Usain Bolt have a slow 40 but no one can pass him in the 100 meter. They need to change the 40x to 100 meters. The avg qb can throw 55 to 65 yards

Interesting because:

Usain Bolt's splits during the Olympic 100m race: RT 0.165, 10m 1.85, 20m 2.87 (1.02), 30m 3.78 (0.91), 40m 4.65 (0.87)
or some at 40 yards would be approx 3.8 to 4.0?

But that is assuming Usain Bolt on an ideal surface, from starting blocks, wearing spikes for more force to push off WITHOUT being decked in Under Armour gear.

03-14-2013, 04:18 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,011	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by papz I guess you just completely ignored the other two times he posted. You called him slow, I didn't call him a burner. He has more than enough speed to play the position and certainly not one would characterize as slow. Which is key for cornerback play. They're not running 40 yard dashes out there on the football field. It's not a track meet. Meh. Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. Just stop dude. First of all, those 40 times average out to a 4.50. It's still not fast. I don't care what you say, or how you try to turn it around. A 4.50 is not fast for a supposed cornerback. It's a decent speed, for a FS, but it's still not even fast for that position. Jenkins was the number 1 cornerback coming out of the draft that year. He fell to 14 because of his lack of speed. Deion Sanders stated that he needed to move to safety because he wasn't fast enough for cornerback, nor did he have the footwork. Guess where he got moved to? Vincent Jackson is 30 years old. So correction, he RAN a 4.46. He's probably running the same speed as Jenkins at this age. As far as the characteristic I named being essential for corner play, sure. You could say that. But the TRUE characteristic needed to play cornerback is the ability to cover and/or stay with your man. He didn't have the speed to do it. So he got moved. So dude, please stop making excuses for him. He's not fast.

03-14-2013, 07:13 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by nola_swammi Jabari Greer won seven individual state track championships. Jabari Greer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. 40 Yard Dash: 4.50 seconds Jabari Greer - CB - Tennessee - 2004 NFL Combine Results Usain Bolt have a slow 40 but no one can pass him in the 100 meter. They need to change the 40x to 100 meters. The avg qb can throw 55 to 65 yards Fun fact: The NFL settled on the 40 because at that time that was the average distance a player must run to cover an NFL punt.

03-14-2013, 07:13 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,011	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by nola_swammi Jabari Greer won seven individual state track championships. Jabari Greer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. 40 Yard Dash: 4.50 seconds Jabari Greer - CB - Tennessee - 2004 NFL Combine Results Usain Bolt have a slow 40 but no one can pass him in the 100 meter. They need to change the 40x to 100 meters. The avg qb can throw 55 to 65 yards Did you just try to make your point with high school accolades?

03-14-2013, 07:16 PM	#5
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? I am just saying you can't go by forty to determine speed maybe excelleration but not speed Danno likes this.

03-14-2013, 07:23 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,011	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by nola_swammi I am just saying you can't go by forty to determine speed maybe excelleration but not speed I'm saying though, 100 meters is 109 yards. That's the whole football field. Running 40 yards actually happens on every play. A football field is about 53 feet long. If you're a safety you're running from sideline to sideline. It matters. But like I said, I'm just going to give it up. How about that Keenan Lewis???

03-14-2013, 07:27 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by nola_swammi I am just saying you can't go by forty to determine speed maybe excelleration but not speed dash - T-shirt, shorts, straight line, track start. NFL- Full gear, avoiding contact and often getting physically disrupted, often turning a 180 from a back-pedal, half-fatigued from exertion, running with your head on a swivel, anticipation/instinc advantages... The 40 is merely one of numerous evaluation tools and isn't a true indicator of NFL speed. And in the NFL the race always starts after contact, which is actually a jogging start, not a track start. Someone skilled at a track start probably has at least a 10th of a second advantage over someone not skilled at a track start. nycsaintfan likes this.

03-14-2013, 07:29 PM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,011	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by Danno dash - T-shirt, shorts, straight line, track start. NFL- Full gear, avoiding contact and often getting physically disrupted, often turning a 180 from a back-pedal, half-fatigued from exertion, running with your head on a swivel, anticipation/instinc advantages... The 40 is merely one of numerous evaluation tools and isn't a true indicator of NFL speed. And in the NFL the race always starts after contact, which is actually a jogging start, not a track start. Someone skilled at a track start probably has at least a 10th of a second advantage over someone not skilled at a track start. Couldn't that be a double edged sword? The got who ran a 4.5 could be even slower then the linebacker who ran the 4.7. Example: Roman Harper vs Curtis Lofton

03-14-2013, 07:41 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by rezburna Couldn't that be a double edged sword? The got who ran a 4.5 could be even slower then the linebacker who ran the 4.7. Example: Roman Harper vs Curtis Lofton Slower how? If your referring to running thru traffic, change of direction, running in an arc or zig-zag instead of a straight line, then yes. Jenkins ran a pedestrian 40, but recorded one of the fasted 3-cones in combine history. It is absolutely possible that someone who ran a 4.5 40 could be slower in NFL action than a guy who ran a 4.8. Bad example though, I think Harper would run circles around Lofton, but your point is absolutely 100% correct. Ray Lewis ran a pretty slow 4.81 40 at the combine. I don't know anyone on the planet that thinks he was a slow LB.

03-16-2013, 04:37 PM	#10
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,000	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by nola_swammi Originally Posted by rezburna First of all, those 40 times average out to a 4.50. It's still not fast. I don't care what you say, or how you try to turn it around. A 4.50 is not fast for a supposed cornerback.... Jabari Greer won seven individual state track championships. .... 40 Yard Dash: 4.50 seconds Jabari Greer - CB - Tennessee - 2004 NFL Combine Results Usain Bolt have a slow 40 but no one can pass him in the 100 meter. They need to change the 40x to 100 meters. The avg qb can throw 55 to 65 yards Interesting because: Usain Bolt's splits during the Olympic 100m race: RT 0.165, 10m 1.85, 20m 2.87 (1.02), 30m 3.78 (0.91), 40m 4.65 (0.87) or some at 40 yards would be approx 3.8 to 4.0? But that is assuming Usain Bolt on an ideal surface, from starting blocks, wearing spikes for more force to push off WITHOUT being decked in Under Armour gear.
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