Nose tackle

papz · 03-22-2013, 10:50 AM

We could use a nose tackle for depth... that's a given. But this isn't a pressing issue some are making it out to be. On 3rd and long, move Hicks inside and rotate Will Smith in. Problem solved. If Hicks isn't starting, he can back up both NT and DE. The only 3 down DL will be Jordan. For the most part, the rotation is already there.

So we have to draft a NT in the mid rounds or go sign a middling NT for depth. It's not that serious... we'll get it done before camp.

lee909 · 03-22-2013, 12:46 PM

Isn't Franklin a free agent again?
It could be worth bringing him in and actually playing him as a NT instead of DT.

jeanpierre · 03-22-2013, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by triman

McShay gave that Stat on podcast . Any player picked in first rd not starting is a bust.

Any first round pick not starting is a bust...

Danno · 03-22-2013, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Any first round pick not starting is a bust...

So Aaron Rodgers was a bust for 3 years?

There are numerous rookies who don't start but get significant playing time that are not busts.

Shoe. · 03-22-2013, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by triman

McShay gave that Stat on podcast . Any player picked in first rd not starting is a bust.

Add this to the list of "Things That McShady and I Disagree On"

jeanpierre · 03-22-2013, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So Aaron Rodgers was a bust for 3 years?

There are numerous rookies who don't start but get significant playing time that are not busts.

Fine - when Brett Favre is starting and you're drafted in the first round, you may have to wait (Exception F1)...

But first round picks should be starting and having an impact in their first season...

Danno · 03-22-2013, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Fine - when Brett Favre is starting and you're drafted in the first round, you may have to wait (Exception F1)...

But first round picks should be starting and having an impact in their first season...

So do you think that if you're a 1st round pick at any position other than QB, and you don't start or have an impact in your 1st year, you're a bust?

xan · 03-22-2013, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So do you think that if you're a 1st round pick at any position other than QB, and you don't start or have an impact in your 1st year, you're a bust?

I think that if you aren't having a significant impact by game 10 of your rookie season, something is seriously wrong with either the front office to picking the loser or the player for mailing it in.

You get half a season to make the transition and learn the speed of the game. For the money a 1st rounder gets, the team should justifiably expect the player to deliver.

papz · 03-22-2013, 02:34 PM

I read somewhere that after taxes, the difference in money between a lower round first round pick compared to a lower round pick isn't that significant. Hence so many under developed players leaving early.

All players have different development rates. I don't agree with the notion that a player is a bust if he doesn't make a significant impact right away. I think it's short sighted to look at it that way.

But anyhow, just wanted to throw in my two cents. It's something we've discussed plenty of times of the years(been down this road many times with jp). If one already feels that way, there's really no point in trying to change their mind. It hasn't and still ain't happenin'.

hagan714 · 03-22-2013, 04:11 PM

it will interesting to watch Bunk and see how he plays NT when he is not in a contract year. much of the season will revolve on his play. NT is the key to a 34

03-22-2013, 10:50 AM	#21
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: Nose tackle We could use a nose tackle for depth... that's a given. But this isn't a pressing issue some are making it out to be. On 3rd and long, move Hicks inside and rotate Will Smith in. Problem solved. If Hicks isn't starting, he can back up both NT and DE. The only 3 down DL will be Jordan. For the most part, the rotation is already there. So we have to draft a NT in the mid rounds or go sign a middling NT for depth. It's not that serious... we'll get it done before camp. jeanpierre likes this.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Nose tackle Originally Posted by triman McShay gave that Stat on podcast . Any player picked in first rd not starting is a bust. Any first round pick not starting is a bust...

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Nose tackle Originally Posted by jeanpierre Any first round pick not starting is a bust... So Aaron Rodgers was a bust for 3 years? There are numerous rookies who don't start but get significant playing time that are not busts.

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Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Nose tackle Originally Posted by triman McShay gave that Stat on podcast . Any player picked in first rd not starting is a bust. Add this to the list of "Things That McShady and I Disagree On"

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Nose tackle Originally Posted by Danno So Aaron Rodgers was a bust for 3 years? There are numerous rookies who don't start but get significant playing time that are not busts. Fine - when Brett Favre is starting and you're drafted in the first round, you may have to wait (Exception F1)... But first round picks should be starting and having an impact in their first season... Cruize likes this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Nose tackle Originally Posted by jeanpierre Fine - when Brett Favre is starting and you're drafted in the first round, you may have to wait (Exception F1)... But first round picks should be starting and having an impact in their first season... So do you think that if you're a 1st round pick at any position other than QB, and you don't start or have an impact in your 1st year, you're a bust?

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xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,368 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Nose tackle Originally Posted by Danno So do you think that if you're a 1st round pick at any position other than QB, and you don't start or have an impact in your 1st year, you're a bust? I think that if you aren't having a significant impact by game 10 of your rookie season, something is seriously wrong with either the front office to picking the loser or the player for mailing it in. You get half a season to make the transition and learn the speed of the game. For the money a 1st rounder gets, the team should justifiably expect the player to deliver.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: Nose tackle I read somewhere that after taxes, the difference in money between a lower round first round pick compared to a lower round pick isn't that significant. Hence so many under developed players leaving early. All players have different development rates. I don't agree with the notion that a player is a bust if he doesn't make a significant impact right away. I think it's short sighted to look at it that way. But anyhow, just wanted to throw in my two cents. It's something we've discussed plenty of times of the years(been down this road many times with jp). If one already feels that way, there's really no point in trying to change their mind. It hasn't and still ain't happenin'.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Nose tackle it will interesting to watch Bunk and see how he plays NT when he is not in a contract year. much of the season will revolve on his play. NT is the key to a 34

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