Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones

papz · 03-21-2013, 09:20 PM

So he's not a workout warrior. It's not a big deal to me. I'm more concerned about production and he has a great track record.

If we shy away from the guy because of his health condition, fine... completely understandable. But if it's because he runs a poor 40, I think it would be a mistake. He's exactly what he's advertised as... a pass rusher. He's not a guy where you would drop him back in coverage and track TE's.

Another example of a guy who did abysmal in his workouts... Vontaze Burfict. He was an absolute stud for the Bengals last year.

saintsfan1976 · 03-21-2013, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by papz

So he's not a workout warrior. It's not a big deal to me. I'm more concerned about production and he has a great track record.

If we shy away from the guy because of his health condition, fine... completely understandable. But if it's because he runs a poor 40, I think it would be a mistake. He's exactly what he's advertised as... a pass rusher. He's not a guy where you would drop him back in coverage and track TE's.

Another example of a guy who did abysmal in his workouts... Vontaze Burfict. He was an absolute stud for the Bengals last year.

If he can't rush AND cover, then he's not a top 15 pick IMO.

Mingo , Jordan and Ansah seem to have him beat there.

davegriff · 03-21-2013, 09:25 PM

I'd take him!
I'd rather a guy like Mingo myself, but I like Jones.
Love the way the guy plays the game, agree with you about making sure he's on the right track!

papz · 03-21-2013, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

If he can't rush AND cover, then he's not a top 15 pick IMO.

Mingo , Jordan and Ansah seem to have him beat there.

That depends if you think he's going to be a consistent double digit sack guy throughout his career. Because if he is, he'd definitely be worth a top 15 selection.

Look at Von Miller, Elvis Dumervil, Aldon Smith, among others. The reason why they're on the football field is to get to the quarterback. Athletically speaking, Miller and Smith are far superior to Jones. But I'm not comparing their athleticism... but their main purpose on the field. It's not to cover.

With that said, maybe we're evaluating him to see if it makes sense to take him lower in the first round... which quite a few people are advocating for us to do. Got to explore all our options.

alleycat_126 · 03-21-2013, 09:39 PM

I'm not a Jones guy, but I keep hearing that his in game is great.... That for me is voided by his medical which whether he cleared it or not would make me question him.... He's not as bad as Manti Te'o but he's not a first rounder in my book..... Also #15 is way to high for Jones.... Or Ansah.....

hagan714 · 03-21-2013, 09:44 PM

reports say he came up lame during the run. i still have a pass label on him

TheOak · 03-21-2013, 09:46 PM

Don't put too much into 40yd times etc....

Fairly meaningless litmus test.

SmashMouth · 03-21-2013, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by papz

So he's not a workout warrior. It's not a big deal to me. I'm more concerned about production and he has a great track record.

If we shy away from the guy because of his health condition, fine... completely understandable. But if it's because he runs a poor 40, I think it would be a mistake. He's exactly what he's advertised as... a pass rusher. He's not a guy where you would drop him back in coverage and track TE's.

Another example of a guy who did abysmal in his workouts... Vontaze Burfict. He was an absolute stud for the Bengals last year.

Spinal Stenosis is not your average risky medical condition. Last time I checked, they do hit just a wee bit harder in the NFL.

rezburna · 03-21-2013, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

If he can't rush AND cover, then he's not a top 15 pick IMO.

Mingo , Jordan and Ansah seem to have him beat there.

none of those players covered anybody in college. They were all defensive ends. Jones converted from safety to LB.

Rugby Saint II · 03-21-2013, 10:24 PM

I can hear the wind from his stock dropping. "wink"

03-21-2013, 09:20 PM	#11
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones So he's not a workout warrior. It's not a big deal to me. I'm more concerned about production and he has a great track record. If we shy away from the guy because of his health condition, fine... completely understandable. But if it's because he runs a poor 40, I think it would be a mistake. He's exactly what he's advertised as... a pass rusher. He's not a guy where you would drop him back in coverage and track TE's. Another example of a guy who did abysmal in his workouts... Vontaze Burfict. He was an absolute stud for the Bengals last year. FinSaint, CharityMike and burningmetal like this.
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03-21-2013, 09:24 PM	#12
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones Originally Posted by papz So he's not a workout warrior. It's not a big deal to me. I'm more concerned about production and he has a great track record. If we shy away from the guy because of his health condition, fine... completely understandable. But if it's because he runs a poor 40, I think it would be a mistake. He's exactly what he's advertised as... a pass rusher. He's not a guy where you would drop him back in coverage and track TE's. Another example of a guy who did abysmal in his workouts... Vontaze Burfict. He was an absolute stud for the Bengals last year. If he can't rush AND cover, then he's not a top 15 pick IMO. Mingo , Jordan and Ansah seem to have him beat there.

03-21-2013, 09:25 PM	#13
davegriff Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Morning Sun,Ia Posts: 45	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones I'd take him! I'd rather a guy like Mingo myself, but I like Jones. Love the way the guy plays the game, agree with you about making sure he's on the right track!

03-21-2013, 09:30 PM	#14
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 If he can't rush AND cover, then he's not a top 15 pick IMO. Mingo , Jordan and Ansah seem to have him beat there. That depends if you think he's going to be a consistent double digit sack guy throughout his career. Because if he is, he'd definitely be worth a top 15 selection. Look at Von Miller, Elvis Dumervil, Aldon Smith, among others. The reason why they're on the football field is to get to the quarterback. Athletically speaking, Miller and Smith are far superior to Jones. But I'm not comparing their athleticism... but their main purpose on the field. It's not to cover. With that said, maybe we're evaluating him to see if it makes sense to take him lower in the first round... which quite a few people are advocating for us to do. Got to explore all our options. davegriff likes this.
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03-21-2013, 09:39 PM	#15
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones I'm not a Jones guy, but I keep hearing that his in game is great.... That for me is voided by his medical which whether he cleared it or not would make me question him.... He's not as bad as Manti Te'o but he's not a first rounder in my book..... Also #15 is way to high for Jones.... Or Ansah.....

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Don't put too much into 40yd times etc.... Fairly meaningless litmus test.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones Originally Posted by papz So he's not a workout warrior. It's not a big deal to me. I'm more concerned about production and he has a great track record. If we shy away from the guy because of his health condition, fine... completely understandable. But if it's because he runs a poor 40, I think it would be a mistake. He's exactly what he's advertised as... a pass rusher. He's not a guy where you would drop him back in coverage and track TE's. Another example of a guy who did abysmal in his workouts... Vontaze Burfict. He was an absolute stud for the Bengals last year. Spinal Stenosis is not your average risky medical condition. Last time I checked, they do hit just a wee bit harder in the NFL.

03-21-2013, 10:19 PM	#19
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 If he can't rush AND cover, then he's not a top 15 pick IMO. Mingo , Jordan and Ansah seem to have him beat there. none of those players covered anybody in college. They were all defensive ends. Jones converted from safety to LB. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones I can hear the wind from his stock dropping. "wink"

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