Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones

FinSaint · 03-22-2013, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I am more concerned about his medical status than about his 40 time.

I agree and like Papz earlier stated, if the Saints passed on Jones because of medical concerns I'd be completely fine with it, but if they'd pass on him because of Pro-Day results - then I wouldn't be as happy about it.

If Jordan and Ansah are off the board - like they in all likelihood will be - then a trade down to the 20s to pick Jones and an additional 2nd or 3rd rounder would be ideal in book.

Danno · 03-22-2013, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I agree and like Papz earlier stated, if the Saints passed on Jones because of medical concerns I'd be completely fine with it, but if they'd pass on him because of Pro-Day results - then I wouldn't be as happy about it.

If Jordan and Ansah are off the board - like they in all likelihood will be - then a trade down to the 20s to pick Jones and an additional 2nd or 3rd rounder would be ideal in book.

Just got my SiriusNFL radio back working so I'm hearing a lot of yapping from scouts/experts that say he doesn't really look all that dominant on film either. Good player, but not great, struggles to run (not a natural runner).

There were a few who didn't like him as a top 10 pick before any of the medical concerns or workout measurables happened.

CharityMike · 03-22-2013, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Spinal Stenosis is not your average risky medical condition. Last time I checked, they do hit just a wee bit harder in the NFL.

You guys need to relax on this Spinal thing. It was mis-diagnosed. There was a big write up about it. I don't have time to go find the link but its out there. He is totally medically cleared.

burningmetal · 03-22-2013, 09:57 AM

I had no idea anyone had been crazy enough to project him to fall to us, though I've certainly been wishing he would.

If this helps him fall to us, I say great. I laughed when I read the part in this article where it said he had "limited athletic ability"... That is truly hilarious. I can't comprehend what happened at his pro day, but frankly I couldn't care less. This guy was more dominant than Jedeveon Clowney. He showed great speed/quickness and reaction skills. The guy must have been sick at pro day, to run a time that slow. I do know that there is a difference between straight line speed in shorts, and football speed. You don't see him getting dominated by the first good team he plays like Manti Te'o. You seem HIM dominate everyone in the best conference in America. We would be insane not to snatch this guy if we get the chance.

And why do all these writers keep dismissing his recent medical report, which was more or less a clean bill of health? I'm not worried about it. I'm not even going to assume he falls to us.

FinSaint · 03-22-2013, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

You guys need to relax on this Spinal thing. It was mis-diagnosed. There was a big write up about it. I don't have time to go find the link but its out there. He is totally medically cleared.

Exactly, I was wary of him earlier because of the medical situation with his spine, but since then it's been cleared and therefore I don't see any medical reason not to pick him.

I haven't seen him play though, so I really have to rely on scout reports and what you guys are saying about him.

burningmetal · 03-22-2013, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by papz

So he's not a workout warrior. It's not a big deal to me. I'm more concerned about production and he has a great track record.

If we shy away from the guy because of his health condition, fine... completely understandable. But if it's because he runs a poor 40, I think it would be a mistake. He's exactly what he's advertised as... a pass rusher. He's not a guy where you would drop him back in coverage and track TE's.

Another example of a guy who did abysmal in his workouts... Vontaze Burfict. He was an absolute stud for the Bengals last year.

Exactly. Who cares about workouts when you've done what Jarvis has.

Speaking of Burfict, I can remember hearing people rave about is speed and athleticism going back to his high school days. When the draft came around and I heard his stock was tumbling, I couldn't believe it. He had apparently gotten lazy and consequently out of shape, causing a poor showing at the combine, or pro day (don't remember which one). I kept saying that if we take a flyer on him late and light a fire under him, it would be a major steal. I could've been wrong, but as it turned out, he made the Bengals look like geniuses.

There's nothing more annoying than listening to some annoying person like Mike Mayock overreacting to everything they see in a workout. " I tell ya what. Thith Jarvith Jonth guy ith really gonna be a rithky pick for whoever pickth him. He'th put up great numberth, but you worry a little when you thee that 40 time"

Can it, Mayock. You've made a fool of yourself enough times.

papz · 03-22-2013, 10:55 AM

I'd also like to add that 11 of his sacks last year came in SEC play... so he wasn't padding his stats against scrubs. 13 tackles 3 sacks against Florida and 6 tackles 2 sacks against Alabama.

Jarvis Jones Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Georgia Bulldogs - ESPN

So if the guy is underperforming and doesn't look great on tape, just imagine if he starts "looking better". That's scary.

nycsaintfan · 03-22-2013, 11:05 AM

A part of me really thinks that pro days and or the combine is somewhat over rated. I don't think there is any excuse for the performance that Jones had yesterday, but what does the tape say? Can the guy play football? That is what it comes down to.

Honestly, what concerns me more is the medical at this point. If he is cleared to play and we can get him at 15 or lower, I can't see this being a bad thing.

lumm0x · 03-22-2013, 11:09 AM

While I will agree that his game film does not look insanely dominant, this guy did it for 3 years in the SEC and certainly wasn't flying under the radar doing it. Everyone knew he had to be blocked and/or doubled and he was still stacking up the stats. The day they put a QB in a 40 yard shotgun I'll be worried about his ability to get to the QB. Initial burst and technicques are far more important when it comes to a pass rusher than a 40 yard dash. His game film proves he can do it versus solid competition. I would have no issue if we saw this guy's name on our pick.

Shoe. · 03-22-2013, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

There's nothing more annoying than listening to some annoying person like Mike Mayock overreacting to everything they see in a workout. " I tell ya what. Thith Jarvith Jonth guy ith really gonna be a rithky pick for whoever pickth him. He'th put up great numberth, but you worry a little when you thee that 40 time"

Can it, Mayock. You've made a fool of yourself enough times.

I'm glad I have a secluded office because I just burst out into laughter reading that Mayock impression. Hilarious

+1

03-22-2013, 04:41 AM	#31
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones Originally Posted by Crusader I am more concerned about his medical status than about his 40 time. I agree and like Papz earlier stated, if the Saints passed on Jones because of medical concerns I'd be completely fine with it, but if they'd pass on him because of Pro-Day results - then I wouldn't be as happy about it. If Jordan and Ansah are off the board - like they in all likelihood will be - then a trade down to the 20s to pick Jones and an additional 2nd or 3rd rounder would be ideal in book.

03-22-2013, 09:27 AM	#32
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones Originally Posted by FinSaint I agree and like Papz earlier stated, if the Saints passed on Jones because of medical concerns I'd be completely fine with it, but if they'd pass on him because of Pro-Day results - then I wouldn't be as happy about it. If Jordan and Ansah are off the board - like they in all likelihood will be - then a trade down to the 20s to pick Jones and an additional 2nd or 3rd rounder would be ideal in book. Just got my SiriusNFL radio back working so I'm hearing a lot of yapping from scouts/experts that say he doesn't really look all that dominant on film either. Good player, but not great, struggles to run (not a natural runner). There were a few who didn't like him as a top 10 pick before any of the medical concerns or workout measurables happened.

03-22-2013, 09:44 AM	#33
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones Originally Posted by SmashMouth Spinal Stenosis is not your average risky medical condition. Last time I checked, they do hit just a wee bit harder in the NFL. You guys need to relax on this Spinal thing. It was mis-diagnosed. There was a big write up about it. I don't have time to go find the link but its out there. He is totally medically cleared. FinSaint and burningmetal like this.

03-22-2013, 09:57 AM	#34
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones I had no idea anyone had been crazy enough to project him to fall to us, though I've certainly been wishing he would. If this helps him fall to us, I say great. I laughed when I read the part in this article where it said he had "limited athletic ability"... That is truly hilarious. I can't comprehend what happened at his pro day, but frankly I couldn't care less. This guy was more dominant than Jedeveon Clowney. He showed great speed/quickness and reaction skills. The guy must have been sick at pro day, to run a time that slow. I do know that there is a difference between straight line speed in shorts, and football speed. You don't see him getting dominated by the first good team he plays like Manti Te'o. You seem HIM dominate everyone in the best conference in America. We would be insane not to snatch this guy if we get the chance. And why do all these writers keep dismissing his recent medical report, which was more or less a clean bill of health? I'm not worried about it. I'm not even going to assume he falls to us.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-22-2013, 10:29 AM	#35
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones Originally Posted by CharityMike You guys need to relax on this Spinal thing. It was mis-diagnosed. There was a big write up about it. I don't have time to go find the link but its out there. He is totally medically cleared. Exactly, I was wary of him earlier because of the medical situation with his spine, but since then it's been cleared and therefore I don't see any medical reason not to pick him. I haven't seen him play though, so I really have to rely on scout reports and what you guys are saying about him.

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03-22-2013, 10:35 AM	#36
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones Originally Posted by papz So he's not a workout warrior. It's not a big deal to me. I'm more concerned about production and he has a great track record. If we shy away from the guy because of his health condition, fine... completely understandable. But if it's because he runs a poor 40, I think it would be a mistake. He's exactly what he's advertised as... a pass rusher. He's not a guy where you would drop him back in coverage and track TE's. Another example of a guy who did abysmal in his workouts... Vontaze Burfict. He was an absolute stud for the Bengals last year. Exactly. Who cares about workouts when you've done what Jarvis has. Speaking of Burfict, I can remember hearing people rave about is speed and athleticism going back to his high school days. When the draft came around and I heard his stock was tumbling, I couldn't believe it. He had apparently gotten lazy and consequently out of shape, causing a poor showing at the combine, or pro day (don't remember which one). I kept saying that if we take a flyer on him late and light a fire under him, it would be a major steal. I could've been wrong, but as it turned out, he made the Bengals look like geniuses. There's nothing more annoying than listening to some annoying person like Mike Mayock overreacting to everything they see in a workout. " I tell ya what. Thith Jarvith Jonth guy ith really gonna be a rithky pick for whoever pickth him. He'th put up great numberth, but you worry a little when you thee that 40 time" Can it, Mayock. You've made a fool of yourself enough times. Shoe. likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-22-2013, 10:55 AM	#37
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones I'd also like to add that 11 of his sacks last year came in SEC play... so he wasn't padding his stats against scrubs. 13 tackles 3 sacks against Florida and 6 tackles 2 sacks against Alabama. Jarvis Jones Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Georgia Bulldogs - ESPN So if the guy is underperforming and doesn't look great on tape, just imagine if he starts "looking better". That's scary.

03-22-2013, 11:05 AM	#38
nycsaintfan 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 165	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones A part of me really thinks that pro days and or the combine is somewhat over rated. I don't think there is any excuse for the performance that Jones had yesterday, but what does the tape say? Can the guy play football? That is what it comes down to. Honestly, what concerns me more is the medical at this point. If he is cleared to play and we can get him at 15 or lower, I can't see this being a bad thing. NuNu318 likes this.
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03-22-2013, 11:09 AM	#39
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones While I will agree that his game film does not look insanely dominant, this guy did it for 3 years in the SEC and certainly wasn't flying under the radar doing it. Everyone knew he had to be blocked and/or doubled and he was still stacking up the stats. The day they put a QB in a 40 yard shotgun I'll be worried about his ability to get to the QB. Initial burst and technicques are far more important when it comes to a pass rusher than a 40 yard dash. His game film proves he can do it versus solid competition. I would have no issue if we saw this guy's name on our pick.

03-22-2013, 11:13 AM	#40
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Hope the Saints don't draft this guy - OLB Jarvis Jones Originally Posted by burningmetal There's nothing more annoying than listening to some annoying person like Mike Mayock overreacting to everything they see in a workout. " I tell ya what. Thith Jarvith Jonth guy ith really gonna be a rithky pick for whoever pickth him. He'th put up great numberth, but you worry a little when you thee that 40 time" Can it, Mayock. You've made a fool of yourself enough times. I'm glad I have a secluded office because I just burst out into laughter reading that Mayock impression. Hilarious +1

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