Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper?

RockyMountainSaint · 04-26-2013, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I think Vacarro will take more time from Jenkins in the Free Safety spot. Harper's been good up around the line. Ryan likes the 46 defense or variations on it. Harper could fit in really well at the safety/linebacker spot.

Harper has shown ability to hit people in the box.

His coverage on slot receivers and TEs in that area is suspect at best.

The league has changed. A SS that you only ask to give run support is a dinosaur. KV by all accounts excels at both run support and covering slot receivers.

Harper only does one of those things. I will add that his hitting is good. His tackling is not. He goes in a straight line. Lateral quickness is not and never was his strength.

Crusader · 04-26-2013, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

When someone new starts making polls on the website, what should we do with foreverfan?

Oh thats easy, trade him to Saints Report for a coke and a snickers.

Seer1 · 04-26-2013, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Oh thats easy, trade him to Saints Report for a coke and a snickers.

We could probably get that plus 20-30 broken links from bleacher report.

Seriously, the answer is P-Rob. Jenkins moves over to Greer's spot, Greer to P-Rob's and P-Rob moves over to where there's no bench.

biloxi-indian · 04-26-2013, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Boutte

Can he catch? Please tell me he can catch.

And, "can he tackle"?

westbankdaze · 04-26-2013, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Seer1

We could probably get that plus 20-30 broken links from bleacher report.

Seriously, the answer is P-Rob. Jenkins moves over to Greer's spot, Greer to P-Rob's and P-Rob moves over to where there's no bench.

I don't see Jenkins going back to corner. There is a reason we moved him to FS. My guess us Harper is done. I'd replace him and Jenkins if I could.

SaintsBro · 04-26-2013, 07:24 AM

I think he takes Harper's place but not this year, I think it's NEXT year or even 2015 when Harper's contract is done. With the exception of Reggie Bush and Jimmy Graham, the Saints have a pretty consistent history of NOT throwing rookies into the fire, unless forced into the lineup by injury. That includes the sparing use of Ingram during his first year which had everybody mystified. I bet our first year's look at this guy is going to be watching him chase down kick returns on special teams, just like they did with Patrick Robinson and Malcolm Jenkins. But I like the pick, I'm just not expecting miracles from him right out the gate.

Utah_Saint · 04-26-2013, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

Harper has shown ability to hit people in the box.

His coverage on slot receivers and TEs in that area is suspect at best.

The league has changed. A SS that you only ask to give run support is a dinosaur. KV by all accounts excels at both run support and covering slot receivers.

Harper only does one of those things. I will add that his hitting is good. His tackling is not. He goes in a straight line. Lateral quickness is not and never was his strength.

That's all true but Jenkins doesn't seem to be any better. He seems to be only slightly better in coverage, a terrible tackler and lousy against the run.
If Spags were the DC again this year, I'd be surprised if Harper made it to training camp. But with Rob Ryan running the defense, I think Harpers ability to "lay the wood" on QBs and receivers crossing the middle will give him the edge in the safety competition. Just my opinion though, only time will tell.

TheOak · 04-26-2013, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

The verdict is in: we need Polls with more than 2 choices (ie. none of the above).

When someone new starts making polls on the website, what should we do with foreverfan?

I think we should poll what the next poll should be.

Shoe. · 04-26-2013, 12:35 PM

Payton is on record saying how he loves that KV is very versatile and actually played a lot of nickel in college, how they had to go back and dig up tape on him actually playing safety etc..., so an added answer to this poll should be "neither" or at least "nobody's job this year."

Next year though, well Roman it was nice having you.

Danno · 04-26-2013, 01:41 PM

So lemme get this straight, Harper and Jenkins were placed in a zone scheme that required both of them to play deep a lot. Many thouhgt it was a good fit for Jenkins, but not a good fit for Harper (including your's truly)

And when the season ended Harper ended up being graded better than Jenkins, even though Spags scheme wasn't friendly to traditional SS's and certainly didn't play to Harper's strengths, while it did play toward Jenkins' strengths.

And everyone apparently thinks Harper's spot is the one Vacarro is gonna take?

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04-26-2013, 02:15 AM	#41
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I think Vacarro will take more time from Jenkins in the Free Safety spot. Harper's been good up around the line. Ryan likes the 46 defense or variations on it. Harper could fit in really well at the safety/linebacker spot. Harper has shown ability to hit people in the box. His coverage on slot receivers and TEs in that area is suspect at best. The league has changed. A SS that you only ask to give run support is a dinosaur. KV by all accounts excels at both run support and covering slot receivers. Harper only does one of those things. I will add that his hitting is good. His tackling is not. He goes in a straight line. Lateral quickness is not and never was his strength.

04-26-2013, 03:27 AM	#42
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,983	Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper? Originally Posted by Halo When someone new starts making polls on the website, what should we do with foreverfan? Oh thats easy, trade him to Saints Report for a coke and a snickers. Halo and hagan714 like this.

04-26-2013, 07:00 AM	#43
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper? Originally Posted by Crusader Oh thats easy, trade him to Saints Report for a coke and a snickers. We could probably get that plus 20-30 broken links from bleacher report. Seriously, the answer is P-Rob. Jenkins moves over to Greer's spot, Greer to P-Rob's and P-Rob moves over to where there's no bench.

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biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper? Originally Posted by Boutte Can he catch? Please tell me he can catch. And, "can he tackle"?

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westbankdaze 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 843	Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper? Originally Posted by Seer1 We could probably get that plus 20-30 broken links from bleacher report. Seriously, the answer is P-Rob. Jenkins moves over to Greer's spot, Greer to P-Rob's and P-Rob moves over to where there's no bench. I don't see Jenkins going back to corner. There is a reason we moved him to FS. My guess us Harper is done. I'd replace him and Jenkins if I could.
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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper? I think he takes Harper's place but not this year, I think it's NEXT year or even 2015 when Harper's contract is done. With the exception of Reggie Bush and Jimmy Graham, the Saints have a pretty consistent history of NOT throwing rookies into the fire, unless forced into the lineup by injury. That includes the sparing use of Ingram during his first year which had everybody mystified. I bet our first year's look at this guy is going to be watching him chase down kick returns on special teams, just like they did with Patrick Robinson and Malcolm Jenkins. But I like the pick, I'm just not expecting miracles from him right out the gate.

04-26-2013, 11:56 AM	#47
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper? Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint Harper has shown ability to hit people in the box. His coverage on slot receivers and TEs in that area is suspect at best. The league has changed. A SS that you only ask to give run support is a dinosaur. KV by all accounts excels at both run support and covering slot receivers. Harper only does one of those things. I will add that his hitting is good. His tackling is not. He goes in a straight line. Lateral quickness is not and never was his strength. That's all true but Jenkins doesn't seem to be any better. He seems to be only slightly better in coverage, a terrible tackler and lousy against the run. If Spags were the DC again this year, I'd be surprised if Harper made it to training camp. But with Rob Ryan running the defense, I think Harpers ability to "lay the wood" on QBs and receivers crossing the middle will give him the edge in the safety competition. Just my opinion though, only time will tell.

04-26-2013, 12:24 PM	#48
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper? Originally Posted by Halo The verdict is in: we need Polls with more than 2 choices (ie. none of the above). When someone new starts making polls on the website, what should we do with foreverfan? I think we should poll what the next poll should be.

04-26-2013, 12:35 PM	#49
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper? Payton is on record saying how he loves that KV is very versatile and actually played a lot of nickel in college, how they had to go back and dig up tape on him actually playing safety etc..., so an added answer to this poll should be "neither" or at least "nobody's job this year." Next year though, well Roman it was nice having you.

04-26-2013, 01:41 PM	#50
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper? So lemme get this straight, Harper and Jenkins were placed in a zone scheme that required both of them to play deep a lot. Many thouhgt it was a good fit for Jenkins, but not a good fit for Harper (including your's truly) And when the season ended Harper ended up being graded better than Jenkins, even though Spags scheme wasn't friendly to traditional SS's and certainly didn't play to Harper's strengths, while it did play toward Jenkins' strengths. And everyone apparently thinks Harper's spot is the one Vacarro is gonna take?

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