Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety

04-26-2013, 10:51 AM

With his leaping ability and athleticism, he is our best bet at stopping Gonzo.

WhoDatQB · 04-26-2013, 10:55 AM

I don't think Vaccaro was a reach at 15. He was the considered by all the best Safety in the draft.

San Fran moved up to 18 to grab Eric Reid who was not considered the talent that Vacarro was.

This way you now have two safeties that can play free safety, strong safety and corner nickel. Much easier to hide coverages with Jenkins and Vacarro than with harper. Jenkins downfall came from Spag's scheme, Harper was never what we thought he would be when we drafted him.

TheEnigma · 04-26-2013, 11:03 AM

Handwerger seems to have no idea what he is talking about

papz · 04-26-2013, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

I don't think Vaccaro was a reach at 15. He was the considered by all the best Safety in the draft.

San Fran moved up to 18 to grab Eric Reid who was not considered the talent that Vacarro was.

Coming to Reid's defense, prior to his underachieving senior season(expectations were sky high), he was arguably the top safety in the nation. He's just as athletic if not more than Vaccaro and possess a high football IQ w/o any baggage. He was a sure fire first round pick. His selection by the 49ers goes to show teams do their due diligence and just don't base things off a single game or season. Their isn't a big disparity in their talent as many would think in my honest opinion.

WhoDatQB · 04-26-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Coming to Reid's defense, prior to his underachieving senior season(expectations were sky high), he was arguably the top safety in the nation. He's just as athletic if not more than Vaccaro and possess a high football IQ w/o any baggage. He was a sure fire first round pick. His selection by the 49ers goes to show teams do their due diligence and just don't base things off a single game or season. Their isn't a big disparity in their talent as many would think in my honest opinion.

Well if not that big a disparity it still stands that Vacarro was not a reach at 15 unless San Fran reached also.

jeanpierre · 04-26-2013, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wow, do they realize its only been 1 round?

We've been pounding the table that we've got to quit screwing the pooch in Round 1...

Originally Posted by Danno

They may try to trade up to land Jamie Collins.

We can only pray - don't say anything though, Saints FO may start pulling a Mora to show up the very fans that financially support them...

Originally Posted by Danno

It was said numerous times that this is a deep draft. Jarvis Jones ran a slower time than any successful NFL OLB playing today. Not a single OLB in the league today ran a 40 time as slow as he did.

That's valid, but I'd like to take this another way...

I'd like to see 40 yd sprints, shuttle runs, hell, all drills done in full pads!!!

(F*** the collective bargaining agreement, get is modified, throw in an extra million per team salary cap)...

Originally Posted by Danno

I was hoping we didn't pick Jones when our pick was announced. I wanted DT but this was a great pick. I'd say A-minus.

I'd prefer Jones if we had to pass on Ogletree who's now playing for the...RAMS!!!

jeanpierre · 04-26-2013, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Coming to Reid's defense, prior to his underachieving senior season(expectations were sky high), he was arguably the top safety in the nation. He's just as athletic if not more than Vaccaro and possess a high football IQ w/o any baggage. He was a sure fire first round pick. His selection by the 49ers goes to show teams do their due diligence and just don't base things off a single game or season. Their isn't a big disparity in their talent as many would think in my honest opinion.

The criticism of Reid was that he was not as good without Morris Claiborne and the Honey Badger flanking him...valid question to ask...

papz · 04-26-2013, 05:38 PM

The defense as a whole took a step back, it wasn't just Reid. The Tigers for whatever reason didn't generate a lot of pressure last year as they did in the past... and that definitely coincides with the secondary production. They also started to freshman corners so the continuity and chemistry wasn't always there. When one part isn't functioning as it should, other areas can take a hit along with it.

With that said, he certainly should have made more plays last year. The pressure, hype, and weight of the defense was too much for him to handle. San Fran was the perfect fit for him to grow into a very good player. They're strong on every level and he just needs to play his part.

vpheughan · 04-26-2013, 07:16 PM

"Seemed to have missed" That's what you say in the event he is an all pro and defensive rookie of the year or a complete bust.

darksoul35 · 04-26-2013, 07:51 PM

when do yall think he wouldve been drafted if we didnt get him at fifteen. My other question would be if we couldve traded back and still drafted him.

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04-26-2013, 10:55 AM	#32
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety I don't think Vaccaro was a reach at 15. He was the considered by all the best Safety in the draft. San Fran moved up to 18 to grab Eric Reid who was not considered the talent that Vacarro was. This way you now have two safeties that can play free safety, strong safety and corner nickel. Much easier to hide coverages with Jenkins and Vacarro than with harper. Jenkins downfall came from Spag's scheme, Harper was never what we thought he would be when we drafted him.

04-26-2013, 11:03 AM	#33
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04-26-2013, 11:16 AM	#34
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by WhoDatQB I don't think Vaccaro was a reach at 15. He was the considered by all the best Safety in the draft. San Fran moved up to 18 to grab Eric Reid who was not considered the talent that Vacarro was. Coming to Reid's defense, prior to his underachieving senior season(expectations were sky high), he was arguably the top safety in the nation. He's just as athletic if not more than Vaccaro and possess a high football IQ w/o any baggage. He was a sure fire first round pick. His selection by the 49ers goes to show teams do their due diligence and just don't base things off a single game or season. Their isn't a big disparity in their talent as many would think in my honest opinion.

04-26-2013, 01:34 PM	#35
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by papz Coming to Reid's defense, prior to his underachieving senior season(expectations were sky high), he was arguably the top safety in the nation. He's just as athletic if not more than Vaccaro and possess a high football IQ w/o any baggage. He was a sure fire first round pick. His selection by the 49ers goes to show teams do their due diligence and just don't base things off a single game or season. Their isn't a big disparity in their talent as many would think in my honest opinion. Well if not that big a disparity it still stands that Vacarro was not a reach at 15 unless San Fran reached also.

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04-26-2013, 04:31 PM	#37
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by papz Coming to Reid's defense, prior to his underachieving senior season(expectations were sky high), he was arguably the top safety in the nation. He's just as athletic if not more than Vaccaro and possess a high football IQ w/o any baggage. He was a sure fire first round pick. His selection by the 49ers goes to show teams do their due diligence and just don't base things off a single game or season. Their isn't a big disparity in their talent as many would think in my honest opinion. The criticism of Reid was that he was not as good without Morris Claiborne and the Honey Badger flanking him...valid question to ask...

04-26-2013, 05:38 PM	#38
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety The defense as a whole took a step back, it wasn't just Reid. The Tigers for whatever reason didn't generate a lot of pressure last year as they did in the past... and that definitely coincides with the secondary production. They also started to freshman corners so the continuity and chemistry wasn't always there. When one part isn't functioning as it should, other areas can take a hit along with it. With that said, he certainly should have made more plays last year. The pressure, hype, and weight of the defense was too much for him to handle. San Fran was the perfect fit for him to grow into a very good player. They're strong on every level and he just needs to play his part.
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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,515	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety "Seemed to have missed" That's what you say in the event he is an all pro and defensive rookie of the year or a complete bust.
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