Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety

04-26-2013, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

43 mlb
a 34 ILB would be nice.
we are going to be down to one in a couple of year anyways

Lofton and Hawthorne are both middle linebackers. Vilma will be gone before long, yes, but we already have the other two in place.

Danno · 04-26-2013, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

My only concern is the conflicting reports that I have read on Vaccaros tackling.

I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins.

I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro.

Danno · 04-26-2013, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Lofton and Hawthorne are both middle linebackers. Vilma will be gone before long, yes, but we already have the other two in place.

And many think Martez would make an excellent SILB too.

dizzle88 · 04-26-2013, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins.

I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro.

Its kind of strange because if you watch his game film he doesn't look like a 4.63 guy
One thing I have learnt about him is the that he set the best time at the combine for 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone drill, that means that he can change direction quickly and probably explains why he's had success playing nickel

Training camp is too long away!

hagan714 · 04-26-2013, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

And many think Martez would make an excellent SILB too.

yep that was his position in college. he does seem to play better working through the OL up the middle.

we will soon find out if the MLB to ILB will work out

burningmetal · 04-26-2013, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You're assuming that Ogletree is just a Middle Linebacker; he's not...

Ogletree's athleticism would've allowed him to play all four linebacker positions...

I'd have preferred Jarvis Jones or Sylvester Williams over Vacarro; as dissatisfied as I've been with the Safeties, my disgust with Harper is noted...

We've need a front seven that makes opposition wish they'd not gotten off the bus - rather than some English-comedy attitude of "this should be jolly fun today."

Further, when a rookie is an improvement over a veteran, not only have you improved the position, you can move the existing player for another pick and you reduce your cap hit...

I am assuming that, you're right. Athleticism is nice, but we already have athletes like Martez Wilson and Junior Galette. I'm not interested in drafting a guy solely for his athleticism in the first round. You may disagree, but that's my philosophy on first rounders. Ogletree is proven as a MLB, not as an OLB. We already knew that Jarvis Jones could get after the QB better than anyone in the draft, so that's why he would have been my choice, if not Vacarro.

You're making quite the assumption in believing we can move any of our defensive players for picks. I don't see that as being very likely. IF you can get a rookie who is better than your veterans, of course you take him. That's why they drafted Vaccarro. But I don't see anything in Sylvester Williams that tells me he would have been better than what we have. I'm just not impressed with many of these DT prospects.

Danno · 04-26-2013, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

yep that was his position in college. he does seem to play better working through the OL up the middle.

we will soon find out if the MLB to ILB will work out

Yep, his straight line speed and accelleration is ideal for blitzing out of that ILB spot, and he has ideal size for it too.

I think his speed is why everyone thinks he's slated for that rush backer spot.

I think he can probably play all 4 spots very well.

papz · 04-26-2013, 10:03 AM

So much talent in the second round. I wish I could get my hands on Moore.

Bastard.

lsutigerfan · 04-26-2013, 10:13 AM

Bengals
Steelers
Rams
Cowboys
49ers

All wanted Vaccaro, the kid can play.

Now, come on Jamie Collins

TheOak · 04-26-2013, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins.

I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro.

If he can jump routes we don't need him to keep up .

The 40yd is as much about coming off the blocks as it is about true speed, which is why those that ran track usually fair better in the combine than those that do not.

If he can catch people on tape he is fast enough.

04-26-2013, 09:39 AM	#11
Threaded by burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by hagan714 43 mlb a 34 ILB would be nice. we are going to be down to one in a couple of year anyways Lofton and Hawthorne are both middle linebackers. Vilma will be gone before long, yes, but we already have the other two in place.
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04-26-2013, 09:40 AM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by TheOak My only concern is the conflicting reports that I have read on Vaccaros tackling. I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins. I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro.

04-26-2013, 09:41 AM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by burningmetal Lofton and Hawthorne are both middle linebackers. Vilma will be gone before long, yes, but we already have the other two in place. And many think Martez would make an excellent SILB too. hagan714 likes this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by Danno I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins. I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro. Its kind of strange because if you watch his game film he doesn't look like a 4.63 guy One thing I have learnt about him is the that he set the best time at the combine for 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone drill, that means that he can change direction quickly and probably explains why he's had success playing nickel Training camp is too long away! ClintSaints likes this.

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04-26-2013, 09:48 AM	#16
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by jeanpierre You're assuming that Ogletree is just a Middle Linebacker; he's not... Ogletree's athleticism would've allowed him to play all four linebacker positions... I'd have preferred Jarvis Jones or Sylvester Williams over Vacarro; as dissatisfied as I've been with the Safeties, my disgust with Harper is noted... We've need a front seven that makes opposition wish they'd not gotten off the bus - rather than some English-comedy attitude of "this should be jolly fun today." Further, when a rookie is an improvement over a veteran, not only have you improved the position, you can move the existing player for another pick and you reduce your cap hit... I am assuming that, you're right. Athleticism is nice, but we already have athletes like Martez Wilson and Junior Galette. I'm not interested in drafting a guy solely for his athleticism in the first round. You may disagree, but that's my philosophy on first rounders. Ogletree is proven as a MLB, not as an OLB. We already knew that Jarvis Jones could get after the QB better than anyone in the draft, so that's why he would have been my choice, if not Vacarro. You're making quite the assumption in believing we can move any of our defensive players for picks. I don't see that as being very likely. IF you can get a rookie who is better than your veterans, of course you take him. That's why they drafted Vaccarro. But I don't see anything in Sylvester Williams that tells me he would have been better than what we have. I'm just not impressed with many of these DT prospects. ClintSaints likes this.
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04-26-2013, 09:49 AM	#17
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by hagan714 yep that was his position in college. he does seem to play better working through the OL up the middle. we will soon find out if the MLB to ILB will work out Yep, his straight line speed and accelleration is ideal for blitzing out of that ILB spot, and he has ideal size for it too. I think his speed is why everyone thinks he's slated for that rush backer spot. I think he can probably play all 4 spots very well.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by Danno I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins. I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro. If he can jump routes we don't need him to keep up . The 40yd is as much about coming off the blocks as it is about true speed, which is why those that ran track usually fair better in the combine than those that do not. If he can catch people on tape he is fast enough. Danno likes this.

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