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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal I didn't notice any drops. I saw a play where he slipped and the ball went past him. Other than that, he made all the catches that weren't thrown 10 feet over his head. The interception ...
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Re: Kenny Stills vs Florida State
Originally Posted by burningmetal
Here is everything I saw:![]()
:25 - This is hard to say, If he was on the 15-yard out then he did it right and it was underthrown, if he should have been on the 10 yard out he adjusted his route too much and missed the ball. 1:28 - Has position on the DB, who walks right through him to deflect. No effort to box out, only attacks the ball with a single hand to deflect the interception. 1:36 - Not a great pass, but the ball is in his range. He loses track of the ball in the air, doesn't even come close to making a play. 3:05 - Replay shows that he adjusts his route after the ball is in the air, causing him to lose a step or two, that ball was over thrown, but he may have had a shot at it if he stayed on route and run through the DB. 3:32 - Just drops an easy TD 3:42 - Another straight up drop 3:48 - Once again unaware of ball position, despite being in position to challenge the DB for the ball, doesn't make any move, and leads to an interception. |
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Re: Kenny Stills vs Florida State
Originally Posted by alexonfyre
Dude, I'm still confused as to what you're looking at on your end. He doesn't drop a TD, it was batted down, and never got close to his hands... horribly under thrown.![]()
At 1:28, he is practically run over. You can't box a guy out who is running through you. It could have been interference. When I first saw that play I immediately said that was either interference, or the guy made a perfect play on the ball because it sure looked like he went right through him, just as you said... He's not a 260 pound power forward. NFL receivers routinely fail to make that catch. At 1:36, I don't think he ever saw the ball. Looked like Jones panicked and just airmailed it. Stills was double covered and didn't turn his head till the ball was just past his head. At 3:42, the defender got a hand in, so it wasn't a straight up drop. After watching it a couple times, I'll say that maybe he should have come back for the ball, but the qb needs to lead him. Usually you come back to the ball when your qb is on the run, but he was open and Jones was not under pressure. Ball has to be in front. But it's one he could have possibly had, I'll give you that. I agree that the double move he made on one of the deep routes slowed him, but then maybe the double move is what got him open in the first place. That's not something we can conclusively say. 3:48, I can see what you're saying, but he's running a fly pattern at full speed and the ball is under thrown, again. It's not as easy as you might think to stop your momentum on that play, to come back to the ball, but that's a toss up. What he should have done was knock down the corner before he could make a play. That's just my opinion. All in all, this looks like a typical game film for a receiver, to me. And he had far better games than this. Nobody dropped more balls than Jimmy Graham and Marques Colston last year. We'll see what he does, bro. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: Kenny Stills vs Florida State
Originally Posted by burningmetal
I'm not going to say that he is a bad WR in general, or that what I said he could do differently is easy or even possible for most people, but I'm trying to take this guy and put him into a division with Derelle Revis and Asante Samuel, to make in impact in this league you have to be netter than good, like Lance Moore and Colston are able to do week-in, week-out, and Nick Toon looks like the type of guy whose speed and hands are better than good. All the things I mentioned up there are things that those guys and Graham do all the time, whether it is overpowering defenders (Graham, Colston) or catching anything that touches your hands (Moore, Colston) or just playing perfect fundamental football (Moore) and if you can't do those things, I don't care what your past achievements are or what a "monster athlete" you are. About 160 people in the entirety of human existence have the skill set and natural ability to play WR in the NFL any given year, and of those less than half will be considered good, I'm sorry if I'm looking for perfection on every play.
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Re: Kenny Stills vs Florida State
Originally Posted by alexonfyre
Hey, I'm cool with looking for perfection. We should all aspire to be, regardless of how unrealistic our chances might be.![]()
But while I get the critique's from the perfection angle, I'm saying who do you see on our roster that doesn't have a flaw or two? Moore is probably the only guy who you can't really point out a weakness, per se. But then, if I want to look for something to to critique him on, I can point out that he's not a burner, and he goes down almost immediately rather than take a hit. You mentioned Colston as a guy who catches everything that touches his hands, but as I said earlier, he and Graham were among the league leaders in drops last year (Graham led the league). Colston makes amazing catches, and he's fearless going up for the ball, which I respect. But then he drops the easiest pass in the world on the next play, and he also has a bad case of the fumbles. I'm not trying to knock you, even if it seems like it. I just think for a 5th round pick, we got about as polished of a receiver as we could have ever expected. I like Toon's hands, and his route running in college, but throughout training camp last year he looked slow and sloppy. I'm hoping he shows up with a better grasp of things this year. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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