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spkb25 05-01-2013 09:05 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
You wouldn't. You'd draft his replacement and give him a year to learn.

spkb25 05-01-2013 09:07 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 500357)
He isn't

Danno you tried to say that **** about Corey White last year too, I remember arguing with you then. It was in the middle of game and Then like three straight passes went to the rec. he was covering and all of sudden no more comments from Danno...

Danno 05-01-2013 09:08 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 500365)
Has been his entire stay. He got destroyed, over and over in the Seattle game. Over and over. He's horrible in coverage, horrible. Got destroyed in the 49er playoff game, and against Tampa. That's three games that come to mind

Nonsense, absolute nonsense.

Exaggerate much?

He had 2 bad plays in the Seattle game. Even Gregg Williams made that point.
Jenkins and our LB's were the ones abused over and over in the 49er playoff game.

Don't remember him getting "destroyed" in the Tampa game.

Thats just ridiculous. Whats next, he's responsible for Global Warming?

Geez I thought you were way more football savvy than that crap.

|Mitch| 05-01-2013 09:10 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 500366)
No, he wouldn't because it saves us no money releasing him. Virtually none. Why would you release someone and still pay them, why?

Face it; Harper is the perfect in the box strong safety... Right where Rob Ryan plays his strong safety in the "46"...

You'll just have to boo him when he's racking up those TFL's and sacks...

spkb25 05-01-2013 09:12 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 500370)
Nonsense, absolute nonsense.

Exaggerate much?

He had 2 bad plays in the Seattle game. Even Gregg Williams made that point.
Jenkins and our LB's were the ones abused over and over in the 49er playoff game.

Don't remember him getting "destroyed" in the Tampa game.

Thats just ridiculous. Whats next, he's responsible for Global Warming?

Geez I thought you were way more football savvy than that crap.

San Fran game was him and MJ getting abused by VD. The Seattle game he got obliterated to my memory. Guarantee he won't be with us after this year. They'll bring in Vac with MJ at nickel and put Harper up by the line to bring pressure.

spkb25 05-01-2013 09:13 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 500371)
Face it; Harper is the perfect in the box strong safety... Right where Rob Ryan plays his strong safety in the "46"...

You'll just have to boo him when he's racking up those TFL's and sacks...

That has nothing to do with coverage. Enjoy his last season with us

Danno 05-01-2013 09:14 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 500369)
Danno you tried to say that **** about Corey White last year too, I remember arguing with you then. It was in the middle of game and Then like three straight passes went to the rec. he was covering and all of sudden no more comments from Danno...

My opinion of Corey White was that he struggled early because injuries forced him into action way too early. He got better as the season progressed.

If you call out a player for making a mistake that was actually someone elses fault, I'm gonna disagree. If that rubs you the wrong way thats your problem, not mine.

|Mitch| 05-01-2013 09:14 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 500372)
The Seattle game he got obliterated to my memory.

I remember the whole defense getting obliterated against Seattle; Marshawn Lynch just didn't run through Harper on that 80 yard touchdown run...

spkb25 05-01-2013 09:14 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 500371)
Face it; Harper is the perfect in the box strong safety... Right where Rob Ryan plays his strong safety in the "46"...

You'll just have to boo him when he's racking up those TFL's and sacks...

I noticed you ignored answering my point.... there ya go

spkb25 05-01-2013 09:16 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 500375)
I remember the whole defense getting obliterated against Seattle; Marshawn Lynch just didn't run through Harper on that 80 yard touchdown run...

who is talking about one run, we are talking about coverage. I believe you're lost.

Danno 05-01-2013 09:16 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 500376)
I noticed you ignored answering my point.... there ya go

Make a valid one and perhaps he'll respond.;)

|Mitch| 05-01-2013 09:16 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 500376)
I noticed you ignored answering my point.... there ya go

They could have saved 3 million, if they would have cut him early in the offseason... If he was so bad they would have cut him when they signed Leonhard, why didn't they?

Or give the starting job to Quaddus or Bush, they have shown promise...

spkb25 05-01-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 500378)
Make a valid one and perhaps he'll respond.;)

I think him saying we would cut Harper and me pointing out how that is inaccurate since it saves us no money to do that is more than accurate. Especially when we are up against the cap.

spkb25 05-01-2013 09:19 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 500379)
They could have saved 3 million, if they would have cut him early in the offseason... If he was so bad they would have cut him when they signed Leonhard, why didn't they?

Or give the starting job to Quaddus or Bush, they have shown promise...

From my understanding we save virtually nothing. This is his last year with us, enjoy it.

Quaddus I like. Not sure if he can be full time starter or not, but definitely heads and shoulder better in coverage.

Bush I disagree with at this point

spkb25 05-01-2013 09:20 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
well I have to get up in the morning. I'll leave it to the ladies

jeanpierre 05-01-2013 10:08 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 500364)
If Harper was the big problem, he would have been released and Vaccaro would play SS...

That would mean the Saints Brass would have to admit a mistake with his contract...

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 500357)
He isn't

Roll Tide!

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 500354)
And I am not defending or advocating for MJ, but I don't even want to hear that bull**** on this site that Harper isn't a liability in coverage, bull****

Saints fans not in denial know Harper can't cover, can't catch, can't tackle, but they take the good with the bad and don't want to come off as haters...but differing opinions is what makes it great...

me, hate Roman Harper's Game...

jeanpierre 05-01-2013 10:42 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
Jenkins may see more nickel, but he won't see more coin from the Saints...

Now if he has an All-Pro Season, then things change...

Cruize 05-01-2013 10:58 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
The Saints took a very gifted athlete who excelled at CB in college and tried to make him a safety. For whatever reason it hasn't worked. If he's moved back to CB and used in a man scheme he will excel again. He's big, strong, and fast enough. I fear JR will have the same lack of success at OLB. Only the most gifted can make a position change at the NFL level and succeed.

spkb25 05-02-2013 05:31 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 500385)
Saints fans not in denial know Harper can't cover.

This

westbankdaze 05-02-2013 06:59 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 500365)
Has been his entire stay. He got destroyed, over and over in the Seattle game. Over and over. He's horrible in coverage, horrible. Got destroyed in the 49er playoff game, and against Tampa. That's three games that come to mind

^ this.

westbankdaze 05-02-2013 07:06 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
We have such short memories. Jenkins aka "double move" used to get roasted at corner. He was so bad at corner we moved him to FS. I just don't get the love for him. He is a bust. Go back and watch the cowboys game in the dome a few years back. That game was the icing on the cake for that season for him.

Harper at least was a good at one time. But he has single handedly been the weak link in our defense the last couple of playoff games we lost. Vacarro is known for being able to cover guys bigger than him which has to be a reason we picked him up.

halloween 65 05-02-2013 07:21 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 500371)
Face it; Harper is the perfect in the box strong safety... Right where Rob Ryan plays his strong safety in the "46"...

You'll just have to boo him when he's racking up those TFL's and sacks...

Your right about Harper, he is a pure a box SS as it gets, really none better but you need a FS to make up for him in the box and Jenkins can't do it.

jeanpierre 05-02-2013 08:55 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by westbankdaze (Post 500430)
We have such short memories. Jenkins aka "double move" used to get roasted at corner. He was so bad at corner we moved him to FS. I just don't get the love for him. He is a bust. Go back and watch the cowboys game in the dome a few years back. That game was the icing on the cake for that season for him.

Harper at least was a good at one time. But he has single handedly been the weak link in our defense the last couple of playoff games we lost. Vacarro is known for being able to cover guys bigger than him which has to be a reason we picked him up.

As a rookie? One year in the league? One game?

I remember him muscling, taking the ball away from Washington receiver in his limited playing time...

Harper was good at one time? LMAO Devin Hester Pass Interference? Seattle TE Three Touchdowns? Green Bay I, II? Don't hate the player - just hate his game...

hagan714 05-02-2013 09:42 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
Jenkins and Vacarro would be the best safety mix in the long run in the pass happy league.

westbankdaze 05-02-2013 12:23 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 500460)
As a rookie? One year in the league? One game?

I remember him muscling, taking the ball away from Washington receiver in his limited playing time...

Harper was good at one time? LMAO Devin Hester Pass Interference? Seattle TE Three Touchdowns? Green Bay I, II? Don't hate the player - just hate his game...

Harper led the league in sacks for a safety one year. He was also big in our 09 run - he was and is a stout run stopper.

Regarding MJ - the only thing I can say is that it took the front office only one year to know he wasn't going to be playing CB any more.

TheOak 05-02-2013 12:54 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
I read the title and thought.

Dude wants more money?!

jeanpierre 05-02-2013 03:46 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins could see more nickel
 
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Originally Posted by westbankdaze (Post 500503)
Harper led the league in sacks for a safety one year. He was also big in our 09 run - he was and is a stout run stopper.

Regarding MJ - the only thing I can say is that it took the front office only one year to know he wasn't going to be playing CB any more.

Daze, what good is a corvette that can win a small load tractor pull if you can't win some quarter mile runs against some street punks or pick up the babes at the Daiquiri Shoppe?!?

Brother, he's a defensive back; a safety; last line of defense; he can't cover, he can't hit straight up; and he can't catch; he's slooooww...

You're right, he led the league in sacks as a safety, but how many times was he sent and didn't make the play?!? how many times was he sent more than contemporary safeties on other teams?!? We had to send him cause he was a liability in coverage...

I appreciate the love, but man when I hear the sack stat quote I keep asking, as a Defensive Back, shouldn't he be able to First, Cover?!?

The Sack thing should be a bonus as a DB, not what he hangs his hat on...


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