Joe Morgan arrested for DUI

SapperSaint · 05-30-2013, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I fully appreciate your view on people that drink and drive. However, we cant punish on should of, would of, could of. If that was the case then just make running a red light a mandatory 2 year sentence, as that could have killed someone also. When you get into the "coulds", its a very slippery slope that could lead to your basic rights being taken away. The entire gun law argument is based on "coulds".

The possibilities are part of the lesson, not the punishment.

Oak, I respect the hell out of you brother; but where did I say punish this guy with 500 lashing with a cat of nine tails based of what "could" have happened?

All I did was give an example of what "Could" have happened. I will go a re-read what I wrote, but I don't think I said he should be punished for what "could" have happened. I just don't agree with the "This isn't a big deal and Give the guy a break".

I'll ask this for everyone who has gotten a DUI/DWI.

Did the Judge and DA give you a break? If not, how big of a deal was it to you?

TheOak · 05-30-2013, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

Oak, I respect the hell out of you brother; but where did I say punish this guy with 500 lashing with a cat of nine tails based of what "could" have happened?

All I did was give an example of what "Could" have happened. I will go a re-read what I wrote, but I don't think I said he should be punished for what "could" have happened. I just don't agree with the "This isn't a big deal and Give the guy a break".

I'll ask this for everyone who has gotten a DUI/DWI.

Did the Judge and DA give you a break? If not, how big of a deal was it to you?

My intent wasn't to paint a picture that you wanted stiffer punishment on a "could of." However a lot of people do walk that rope.

I am not trying to make a lesser deal than what it is. There are however statements about this being a possible "problem", which it isn't. A DUI is not a problem where he gets drunk and beats on women etc... If you get my meaning. Seriously we have people talking about a damaged career.

As far as punishment, Morgan will receive punishment from two entities which is twice as much as normal folk. The legal system will punish him accordingly, and then the league will hammer him also.

I received zero favor in my DUI and the DA was related to me. I didn't ask for it either, I did the crime.... I payed my price.

That being said, we all know one cat on his third DUI that not in jail and still driving.... And that is F-up.

We are cool and zero disrespect was intended.

Peace

NOS2SB · 05-30-2013, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

I am in no way saying Joe is the most evil person ever to wear a Saints uniform. I am not saying that he should be kicked off the team. But what I am saying, is that I do not like drunk drivers.

This is not a personal attack to Joe or to any of you that have done it. It happens everyday. Somebody, somewhere, is drunk or have had one too many and is behind the wheel of a vehicle right now.

Here is the thing. Lets just say he had caused a wreck and taken someones life. Not only has he caused pain to the victims family and friends, he has to go through life knowing that he killed someone. Everytime someone looks at him, they will know he killed someone. I hear all of this "Some of you are cast the first stone, people", BS. No, I have not gotten behind the wheel after drinking. I know first hand what it can lead to.

Don't tell me that this was just a little slap on the hand situation. He, just like everyone else; with or around him, knew he was drunk and shouldn't have driven. No one had the balls to stop him, Joe included. Thats the problem.

I wonder if he had killed someone one if most of you would be saying "Give the guy a break"? Be pissed at me all you want for my stance on this. I'm just greatful that no one was hurt/injured/killed.

Of course we wouldn't. But you're throwing in hypotheticals. If "if" was a fifth, we'd all be drunk.

TheOak · 05-30-2013, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by NOS2SB

Of course we wouldn't. But you're throwing in hypotheticals. If "if" was a fifth, we'd all be drunk.

And some would have lined up a cab prior... others like me, would just call the wife to come get them.

jeanpierre · 05-30-2013, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

I am in no way saying Joe is the most evil person ever to wear a Saints uniform. I am not saying that he should be kicked off the team. But what I am saying, is that I do not like drunk drivers.

This is not a personal attack to Joe or to any of you that have done it. It happens everyday. Somebody, somewhere, is drunk or have had one too many and is behind the wheel of a vehicle right now.

Here is the thing. Lets just say he had caused a wreck and taken someones life. Not only has he caused pain to the victims family and friends, he has to go through life knowing that he killed someone. Everytime someone looks at him, they will know he killed someone. I hear all of this "Some of you are cast the first stone, people", BS. No, I have not gotten behind the wheel after drinking. I know first hand what it can lead to.

Don't tell me that this was just a little slap on the hand situation. He, just like everyone else; with or around him, knew he was drunk and shouldn't have driven. No one had the balls to stop him, Joe included. Thats the problem.

I wonder if he had killed someone one if most of you would be saying "Give the guy a break"? Be pissed at me all you want for my stance on this. I'm just greatful that no one was hurt/injured/killed.

I like Joe Morgan, I really do; especially the fact that he worked his way to an opportunity; that said, I Have Just One Question -

Why does it take the Death of a Child, A Mother, and/or A Father for Drinking and Driving to have Consequence?

TheOak · 05-30-2013, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I like Joe Morgan, I really do; especially the fact that he worked his way to an opportunity; that said, I Have Just One Question -

Why does it take the Death of a Child, A Mother, and/or A Father for Drinking and Driving to have Consequence?

Because laws are reactive. We are innocent until proven guilty, and we are punished for the act committed, not what could have happened.

When a death is involved in a DUI normally manslaughter charges are brought against the offender also.

TheOak · 05-30-2013, 08:31 AM

Oh he will pay the piper. The process of paying your debt to society for a DUI is painful.

Community Service - To be done on weekends
Sitting through AA meetings.
Typically all of those things all into the period of the 30 days when he will not have his license.

Financially the league will punish him harder than the Courts. This i find quite difficult to swallow as what he does on his own personal time is not for an employer to punish. But it is in The CBA and that was agreed upon.

saintsfan1976 · 05-30-2013, 09:05 AM

Full disclosure; I've had a DUI as well. Fact is, I'm no angel.

My rant is not to chastise the kid as if I'm perfect, it's more that I hate to see someone with so much, risk it all like that.

Like many of us, I'm sure young Joe will learn his lesson.

Joe's making an average of $466k per year. Call a cab. Hell, BUY a cab.

TheOak · 05-30-2013, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Hell, BUY a cab.

So he can get a DUI behind the wheel of a cab? That would be a great thread.

LOL Sorry I had to , you tee'd that one up for me.

44Champs · 05-30-2013, 09:25 AM

I've never had a DUI, but I remember doing a LOT of stupid things in my late teens and early 20's, including driving drunk but not getting caught or killing anyone. No telling what kind of trouble I would've gotten into if I would've had the amount of $$ that these guys have. Sometimes we forget that these guys, while they're men (rich men), are also still immature and finding their way. I'm not making excuses for them, just adding some perspective. I hope Joe learns from this and gets a chance to redeem himself.

05-30-2013, 10:12 AM	#1
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Joe Morgan arrested for DUI Originally Posted by TheOak I fully appreciate your view on people that drink and drive. However, we cant punish on should of, would of, could of. If that was the case then just make running a red light a mandatory 2 year sentence, as that could have killed someone also. When you get into the "coulds", its a very slippery slope that could lead to your basic rights being taken away. The entire gun law argument is based on "coulds". The possibilities are part of the lesson, not the punishment. Oak, I respect the hell out of you brother; but where did I say punish this guy with 500 lashing with a cat of nine tails based of what "could" have happened? All I did was give an example of what "Could" have happened. I will go a re-read what I wrote, but I don't think I said he should be punished for what "could" have happened. I just don't agree with the "This isn't a big deal and Give the guy a break". I'll ask this for everyone who has gotten a DUI/DWI. Did the Judge and DA give you a break? If not, how big of a deal was it to you?
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05-30-2013, 10:55 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Joe Morgan arrested for DUI Originally Posted by SapperSaint Oak, I respect the hell out of you brother; but where did I say punish this guy with 500 lashing with a cat of nine tails based of what "could" have happened? All I did was give an example of what "Could" have happened. I will go a re-read what I wrote, but I don't think I said he should be punished for what "could" have happened. I just don't agree with the "This isn't a big deal and Give the guy a break". I'll ask this for everyone who has gotten a DUI/DWI. Did the Judge and DA give you a break? If not, how big of a deal was it to you? My intent wasn't to paint a picture that you wanted stiffer punishment on a "could of." However a lot of people do walk that rope. I am not trying to make a lesser deal than what it is. There are however statements about this being a possible "problem", which it isn't. A DUI is not a problem where he gets drunk and beats on women etc... If you get my meaning. Seriously we have people talking about a damaged career. As far as punishment, Morgan will receive punishment from two entities which is twice as much as normal folk. The legal system will punish him accordingly, and then the league will hammer him also. I received zero favor in my DUI and the DA was related to me. I didn't ask for it either, I did the crime.... I payed my price. That being said, we all know one cat on his third DUI that not in jail and still driving.... And that is F-up. We are cool and zero disrespect was intended. Peace
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

05-30-2013, 08:36 AM	#3
NOS2SB Shampoo Join Date: May 2011 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 454	Re: Joe Morgan arrested for DUI Originally Posted by SapperSaint I am in no way saying Joe is the most evil person ever to wear a Saints uniform. I am not saying that he should be kicked off the team. But what I am saying, is that I do not like drunk drivers. This is not a personal attack to Joe or to any of you that have done it. It happens everyday. Somebody, somewhere, is drunk or have had one too many and is behind the wheel of a vehicle right now. Here is the thing. Lets just say he had caused a wreck and taken someones life. Not only has he caused pain to the victims family and friends, he has to go through life knowing that he killed someone. Everytime someone looks at him, they will know he killed someone. I hear all of this "Some of you are cast the first stone, people", BS. No, I have not gotten behind the wheel after drinking. I know first hand what it can lead to. Don't tell me that this was just a little slap on the hand situation. He, just like everyone else; with or around him, knew he was drunk and shouldn't have driven. No one had the balls to stop him, Joe included. Thats the problem. I wonder if he had killed someone one if most of you would be saying "Give the guy a break"? Be pissed at me all you want for my stance on this. I'm just greatful that no one was hurt/injured/killed. Of course we wouldn't. But you're throwing in hypotheticals. If "if" was a fifth, we'd all be drunk. TheOak likes this.

05-30-2013, 08:45 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Joe Morgan arrested for DUI Originally Posted by NOS2SB Of course we wouldn't. But you're throwing in hypotheticals. If "if" was a fifth, we'd all be drunk. And some would have lined up a cab prior... others like me, would just call the wife to come get them.

05-30-2013, 10:31 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Joe Morgan arrested for DUI Originally Posted by SapperSaint I am in no way saying Joe is the most evil person ever to wear a Saints uniform. I am not saying that he should be kicked off the team. But what I am saying, is that I do not like drunk drivers. This is not a personal attack to Joe or to any of you that have done it. It happens everyday. Somebody, somewhere, is drunk or have had one too many and is behind the wheel of a vehicle right now. Here is the thing. Lets just say he had caused a wreck and taken someones life. Not only has he caused pain to the victims family and friends, he has to go through life knowing that he killed someone. Everytime someone looks at him, they will know he killed someone. I hear all of this "Some of you are cast the first stone, people", BS. No, I have not gotten behind the wheel after drinking. I know first hand what it can lead to. Don't tell me that this was just a little slap on the hand situation. He, just like everyone else; with or around him, knew he was drunk and shouldn't have driven. No one had the balls to stop him, Joe included. Thats the problem. I wonder if he had killed someone one if most of you would be saying "Give the guy a break"? Be pissed at me all you want for my stance on this. I'm just greatful that no one was hurt/injured/killed. I like Joe Morgan, I really do; especially the fact that he worked his way to an opportunity; that said, I Have Just One Question - Why does it take the Death of a Child, A Mother, and/or A Father for Drinking and Driving to have Consequence?

05-30-2013, 10:57 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Joe Morgan arrested for DUI Originally Posted by jeanpierre I like Joe Morgan, I really do; especially the fact that he worked his way to an opportunity; that said, I Have Just One Question - Why does it take the Death of a Child, A Mother, and/or A Father for Drinking and Driving to have Consequence? Because laws are reactive. We are innocent until proven guilty, and we are punished for the act committed, not what could have happened. When a death is involved in a DUI normally manslaughter charges are brought against the offender also.

05-30-2013, 08:31 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Joe Morgan arrested for DUI Oh he will pay the piper. The process of paying your debt to society for a DUI is painful. Community Service - To be done on weekends Sitting through AA meetings. Typically all of those things all into the period of the 30 days when he will not have his license. Financially the league will punish him harder than the Courts. This i find quite difficult to swallow as what he does on his own personal time is not for an employer to punish. But it is in The CBA and that was agreed upon.

05-30-2013, 09:05 AM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,046 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Joe Morgan arrested for DUI Full disclosure; I've had a DUI as well. Fact is, I'm no angel. My rant is not to chastise the kid as if I'm perfect, it's more that I hate to see someone with so much, risk it all like that. Like many of us, I'm sure young Joe will learn his lesson. Joe's making an average of $466k per year. Call a cab. Hell, BUY a cab. Crusader, jeanpierre, dizzle88 and 2 others like this.

05-30-2013, 09:19 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Joe Morgan arrested for DUI Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Hell, BUY a cab. So he can get a DUI behind the wheel of a cab? That would be a great thread. LOL Sorry I had to , you tee'd that one up for me.

05-30-2013, 09:25 AM	#10
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Joe Morgan arrested for DUI I've never had a DUI, but I remember doing a LOT of stupid things in my late teens and early 20's, including driving drunk but not getting caught or killing anyone. No telling what kind of trouble I would've gotten into if I would've had the amount of $$ that these guys have. Sometimes we forget that these guys, while they're men (rich men), are also still immature and finding their way. I'm not making excuses for them, just adding some perspective. I hope Joe learns from this and gets a chance to redeem himself.
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