Saints back in hunt for CB McKenzie

JKool · 09-25-2004, 01:55 PM

BMG,

Well said here:

Mostly I\'m irate at a front office and coaching staff that has been claiming our secondary is fine for several years and now that the season is underway identify MM as a critical need for us. It\'s like pulling a cooked steak off the grill and then saying, \"hey let\'s bake some potatos while we have the grill fired up. Do we have any potatos?\"

I couldn\'t agree more. Many of us, as WhoDat will recall, have been claiming that our secondary is in sore shape since mid-offseason (myself and Danno included).

We need new coaching and soon! And, as my standard rant goes, we need a good GM even sooner.

saintfan · 09-25-2004, 02:05 PM

It is unfair to blame Haz in one case and not praise him in the other

I\'ve been fighting the moonshiners on this for years.

blackroses · 09-25-2004, 03:52 PM

WeLL Charameill I guess you proved a valid point again. As I said before Mckenzie has leadership qualities also. I\'m just concerned come contract talks he is gonna pull the same stuff.

WhoDat · 09-25-2004, 06:03 PM

Might I ask you which CB you think we should have taken when our turn came up.

With the sixth pick of the 2003 NFL Draft the New Orleans Saints pick Marcus Trufant... er... Some fat guy.

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It is unfair to blame Haz in one case and not praise him in the other
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I\'ve been fighting the moonshiners on this for years.

LMAO. And we\'re the fanatics? Haslett can\'t be wrong in some situations and right in others? Brooks can\'t play well one week and not the next? One thing is for sure, it is all or nothing with some of you. LOL

Likewise, you all completely discount comments when some us make favorable ones about Haslett or Brooks as simply a ploy, a setup, or a momentary lapse of reason. I call it like I see it. That\'s why I\'m all over Brooks when he fumbles 3 times in a game, and in here patting him on the back after a week like last week. That\'s why I\'m all over Haslett when his poor planning or adjustments kill us and I\'m in here giving him props when... wait... he never has outcoached anybody, but when it happens I\'ll give him props. Fair?

[Edited on 25/9/2004 by WhoDat]

saintfan · 09-25-2004, 08:44 PM

Haslett can\'t be wrong in some situations and right in others?

Not what I meant. You know this, but feel the need to save face...again.

JKool · 09-25-2004, 08:46 PM

My point was that without additional evidence, there is no reason to say that Haz doesn\'t get credit when Mueller made the picks and gets blame when Loomis made them.

WhoDat · 09-25-2004, 10:39 PM

You\'re right JKool - Haslett deserves some credit for the Mueller moves if he gets flak for the moves since then. This team has made some great moves over the last four plus years. Some moves that have loaded this team with more talent than, IMO, any other Saints team has ever had. Why then can this team not make the playoffs? Why can it not improve?

bayouking318 · 09-25-2004, 10:59 PM

This is just part of a article that will let everyone know who evaluate & drafted player(s) in 2000-02

I\'m more of a hands-on owner,\" Benson said. \"In some cases, decisions were made without me.\"

He said he was not told that running back Ricky Williams was going to be traded to the Miami Dolphins in March.

Mueller inherited a team with little talent and few draft picks. But he rebuilt the roster with productive free agents and shrewd trades, including acquiring quarterback Aaron Brooks from Green Bay.

Mueller came to the Saints from the Seattle Seahawks, where he built a reputation as a savvy evaluator of talent after becoming the team\'s vice president of football operations in 1995.

http://www.ottawalynx.com/Slam020509/nfl_mue-ap.html

Mueller joined New Orleans in January 2000, when the team revamped its staff after going 3-13 in 1999, and he soon hired head coach Jim Haslett.

Mueller inherited a team with few high draft picks, thanks in large part to the deal for Ricky Williams. But Mueller rebuilt the roster with productive free agents and shrewd trades, including acquiring quarterback Aaron Brooks from Green Bay.

HMMM it didn\'t say anything bout Haslett rebuilding the roster,if so he will be fired to.. If I continue to research I am sure to find Haslet rebuilding the roster but I believe it will start from 2003-04

spkb25 · 09-25-2004, 11:16 PM

no that doesnt have anything to do with haslett. but i would agree that most of our best draft choices were becuase of mueller. thats the problem. we need him back.

bayouking318 · 09-25-2004, 11:18 PM

BK, if Meuller was making those picks in a vaccuum, I agree. The reason, it seems to me, people keep blaming Haz for bad picks when Loomis is technically in charge of that is that Haz has some say (just like he did in the Meuller picks). It is unfair to blame Haz in one case and not praise him in the other - unless I\'m missing something?

I am sorry to tell you but Mueller had a BIG ego and he didn\'t relinquish the rights for anyone to tell him who to release, sign or draft. That is the main reason he was fired, however the guy had a eye for evaluating players.

09-25-2004, 01:55 PM	#21
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Saints back in hunt for CB McKenzie BMG, Well said here: Mostly I\'m irate at a front office and coaching staff that has been claiming our secondary is fine for several years and now that the season is underway identify MM as a critical need for us. It\'s like pulling a cooked steak off the grill and then saying, \"hey let\'s bake some potatos while we have the grill fired up. Do we have any potatos?\" I couldn\'t agree more. Many of us, as WhoDat will recall, have been claiming that our secondary is in sore shape since mid-offseason (myself and Danno included). We need new coaching and soon! And, as my standard rant goes, we need a good GM even sooner.

09-25-2004, 02:05 PM	#22
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Saints back in hunt for CB McKenzie It is unfair to blame Haz in one case and not praise him in the other I\'ve been fighting the moonshiners on this for years.

09-25-2004, 03:52 PM	#23
blackroses Registered Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 85	Saints back in hunt for CB McKenzie WeLL Charameill I guess you proved a valid point again. As I said before Mckenzie has leadership qualities also. I\'m just concerned come contract talks he is gonna pull the same stuff.
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09-25-2004, 06:03 PM	#24
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saints back in hunt for CB McKenzie Might I ask you which CB you think we should have taken when our turn came up. With the sixth pick of the 2003 NFL Draft the New Orleans Saints pick Marcus Trufant... er... Some fat guy. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is unfair to blame Haz in one case and not praise him in the other -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I\'ve been fighting the moonshiners on this for years. LMAO. And we\'re the fanatics? Haslett can\'t be wrong in some situations and right in others? Brooks can\'t play well one week and not the next? One thing is for sure, it is all or nothing with some of you. LOL Likewise, you all completely discount comments when some us make favorable ones about Haslett or Brooks as simply a ploy, a setup, or a momentary lapse of reason. I call it like I see it. That\'s why I\'m all over Brooks when he fumbles 3 times in a game, and in here patting him on the back after a week like last week. That\'s why I\'m all over Haslett when his poor planning or adjustments kill us and I\'m in here giving him props when... wait... he never has outcoached anybody, but when it happens I\'ll give him props. Fair? [Edited on 25/9/2004 by WhoDat]
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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Saints back in hunt for CB McKenzie Haslett can\'t be wrong in some situations and right in others? Not what I meant. You know this, but feel the need to save face...again.

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09-25-2004, 08:46 PM	#26
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Saints back in hunt for CB McKenzie My point was that without additional evidence, there is no reason to say that Haz doesn\'t get credit when Mueller made the picks and gets blame when Loomis made them.

09-25-2004, 10:39 PM	#27
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saints back in hunt for CB McKenzie You\'re right JKool - Haslett deserves some credit for the Mueller moves if he gets flak for the moves since then. This team has made some great moves over the last four plus years. Some moves that have loaded this team with more talent than, IMO, any other Saints team has ever had. Why then can this team not make the playoffs? Why can it not improve?
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09-25-2004, 10:59 PM	#28
bayouking318 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 209	Saints back in hunt for CB McKenzie This is just part of a article that will let everyone know who evaluate & drafted player(s) in 2000-02 I\'m more of a hands-on owner,\" Benson said. \"In some cases, decisions were made without me.\" He said he was not told that running back Ricky Williams was going to be traded to the Miami Dolphins in March. Mueller inherited a team with little talent and few draft picks. But he rebuilt the roster with productive free agents and shrewd trades, including acquiring quarterback Aaron Brooks from Green Bay. Mueller came to the Saints from the Seattle Seahawks, where he built a reputation as a savvy evaluator of talent after becoming the team\'s vice president of football operations in 1995. http://www.ottawalynx.com/Slam020509/nfl_mue-ap.html Mueller joined New Orleans in January 2000, when the team revamped its staff after going 3-13 in 1999, and he soon hired head coach Jim Haslett. Mueller inherited a team with few high draft picks, thanks in large part to the deal for Ricky Williams. But Mueller rebuilt the roster with productive free agents and shrewd trades, including acquiring quarterback Aaron Brooks from Green Bay. HMMM it didn\'t say anything bout Haslett rebuilding the roster,if so he will be fired to.. If I continue to research I am sure to find Haslet rebuilding the roster but I believe it will start from 2003-04

09-25-2004, 11:16 PM	#29
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Saints back in hunt for CB McKenzie no that doesnt have anything to do with haslett. but i would agree that most of our best draft choices were becuase of mueller. thats the problem. we need him back.

09-25-2004, 11:18 PM	#30
bayouking318 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 209	Saints back in hunt for CB McKenzie BK, if Meuller was making those picks in a vaccuum, I agree. The reason, it seems to me, people keep blaming Haz for bad picks when Loomis is technically in charge of that is that Haz has some say (just like he did in the Meuller picks). It is unfair to blame Haz in one case and not praise him in the other - unless I\'m missing something? I am sorry to tell you but Mueller had a BIG ego and he didn\'t relinquish the rights for anyone to tell him who to release, sign or draft. That is the main reason he was fired, however the guy had a eye for evaluating players.