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Old 08-09-2013, 10:43 AM   #1
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Re: Saints’ Joe Morgan Begins Road to Recovery, Says Don’t Blame Kenny Vaccaro

I hope we do not keep him because he is liked, he needs to be able to produce and play. That is how we kept Ivory a season or two too long.



As far as injury goes... If Vaccaro takes out 3 players before the season starts legally AND does the same during the regular season then so be it.

We b1tch and complain that our Defense isn't physical enough then as soon as someone gets hurt we want them to cut throttle.

If players can not make it through practice, scrimmage, preseason... What do you think will happen when they get hit by Harrison, Watt, any other player in a real game? I would rather lose them now while we have time to find the replacement than week 3.
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Re: Saints’ Joe Morgan Begins Road to Recovery, Says Don’t Blame Kenny Vaccaro

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I hope we do not keep him because he is liked, he needs to be able to produce and play. That is how we kept Ivory a season or two too long.

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Quit being so militant, dude...chill out...Morgan is "liked" by Payton precisely BECAUSE he produces. Do you even know the interview quote about the conversation Morgan had with Payton, that I am referring to? You obviously don't. It was about making PLAYS. Payton told him in 2011, if you make plays, you will make the 53. And if you don't make the 53, you're still on film auditioning for the other 31 teams. So go make some plays and get noticed on film. That's what Payton told Morgan in his rookie camp. Now why Payton went out of his way to take him aside and tell him this, it sounds to me like he did it because he likes Morgan, or believes in his potential.

What on earth makes you think they ever kept Ivory because they "liked" him, over what he could potentially contribute and do for the team? If they "liked" Ivory so much, then why would they bench him because he gave the coaches an attitude, which is exactly what happened to Ivory in 2012? If they "liked" him, then why was he ALWAYS in the doghouse with the coaches?

Don't confuse the fans liking Ivory, with the coaches liking him. I'm saying the coaches DIDN'T favor Ivory -- they NEVER "liked" or trusted him. In fact, they perpetually kept Ivory in the doghouse, on purpose, because they knew he ran better when he was in the doghouse.

Payton NEVER considered Ivory the go-to back, or else his number would have been called more often for big plays with the game on the line, which it basically NEVER was, except the one 4th and 1 against the Falcons where he fumbled. I could always tell that Ivory was never in the same category in Payton's mind, with guys like Thomas, Sproles, Bush, Deuce, and Ingram. Payton never TRUSTED Ivory. Ivory was like a Mike Bell or Aaron Stecker, just throw him against the wall and see if he sticks, and if you don't stick, or wear the wrong shoes, you're gone. And sure enough, he's gone. Nothing to do with liking or coddling or playing favorites.
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Re: Saints’ Joe Morgan Begins Road to Recovery, Says Don’t Blame Kenny Vaccaro

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Quit being so militant, dude...chill out...Morgan is "liked" by Payton precisely BECAUSE he produces. Do you even know the interview quote about the conversation Morgan had with Payton, that I am referring to? You obviously don't. It was about making PLAYS. Payton told him in 2011, if you make plays, you will make the 53. And if you don't make the 53, you're still on film auditioning for the other 31 teams. So go make some plays and get noticed on film. That's what Payton told Morgan in his rookie camp. Now why Payton went out of his way to take him aside and tell him this, it sounds to me like he did it because he likes Morgan, or believes in his potential.

What on earth makes you think they ever kept Ivory because they "liked" him, over what he could potentially contribute and do for the team? If they "liked" Ivory so much, then why would they bench him because he gave the coaches an attitude, which is exactly what happened to Ivory in 2012? If they "liked" him, then why was he ALWAYS in the doghouse with the coaches?

Don't confuse the fans liking Ivory, with the coaches liking him. I'm saying the coaches DIDN'T favor Ivory -- they NEVER "liked" or trusted him. In fact, they perpetually kept Ivory in the doghouse, on purpose, because they knew he ran better when he was in the doghouse.

Payton NEVER considered Ivory the go-to back, or else his number would have been called more often for big plays with the game on the line, which it basically NEVER was, except the one 4th and 1 against the Falcons where he fumbled. I could always tell that Ivory was never in the same category in Payton's mind, with guys like Thomas, Sproles, Bush, Deuce, and Ingram. Payton never TRUSTED Ivory. Ivory was like a Mike Bell or Aaron Stecker, just throw him against the wall and see if he sticks, and if you don't stick, or wear the wrong shoes, you're gone. And sure enough, he's gone. Nothing to do with liking or coddling or playing favorites.
Ill stop being militant when you stop being Emo.

You seem to have answered all of your own questions, thanks. Doesn't change my point of view.
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Re: Saints’ Joe Morgan Begins Road to Recovery, Says Don’t Blame Kenny Vaccaro

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I hope we do not keep him because he is liked, he needs to be able to produce and play. That is how we kept Ivory a season or two too long.



As far as injury goes... If Vaccaro takes out 3 players before the season starts legally AND does the same during the regular season then so be it.

We b1tch and complain that our Defense isn't physical enough then as soon as someone gets hurt we want them to cut throttle.

If players can not make it through practice, scrimmage, preseason... What do you think will happen when they get hit by Harrison, Watt, any other player in a real game? I would rather lose them now while we have time to find the replacement than week 3.
I agree 100%. If they get hurt now( not that I like them hurt) we have time to replace them. I also think they should play in practice like it was a real game, we know what we have. I like the fact V plays all out all of the time and think the rest of them should also. If Ingram or whoever makes a run up the middle steamrolls someone it send a message. We haven't been sending messages for quite some times. Send the message!!
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