I'm afraid we're in trouble.

TheOak · 09-09-2013, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I can't believe someone is actually worried about our offense. Our offense. Really?

Well come to think of it, it's not surprising at all. What's next on the checklist to complain about?

Bye week rust.

NOS2SB · 09-09-2013, 10:56 AM

Poydras is a worry wart.

Budsdrinker · 09-09-2013, 11:32 AM

What worried me yesterday was how Drew under threw a lot of passes.
His pick was under thrown, had Stills wide open for what could have been 6 but Stills had to wait on the ball and it was broken up. Hopefully it was just a one day thing and Drew hasn't lost some arm strength.

|Mitch| · 09-09-2013, 11:45 AM

One of the undertones I had to sift through involved a perceived decline in Saints all-world quarterback Drew Brees. I honestly don't understand what Saints fans want from Brees. If his league-leading 43 TDs weren't enough, his conducting of the second overall offense should have been.

The game against the Falcons was much of the same.

Going 26-of-35 for 357 yards (two TDs) was vintage Brees. His command of the huddle may be only superseded by his ability to execute. Any talk of his decline is premature at this point.

Fans expect perfection from Brees; they should just settle for him being better than 95 percent of the other quarterbacks in the league.

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Budsdrinker · 09-09-2013, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

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I don't expect perfection but I do worry about under thrown passes that leads to turnovers and missed opportunities. It wasn't just one pass. It was several. Even the completed passes had receivers going to the ground to make the catch when they could have made extra yardage if the ball had a little more on it. Now was it because of being under pressure, I'm not 100% sure and will need to look at the replay but sitting in the dome yesterday I saw several under thrown balls.

TheOak · 09-09-2013, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I don't expect perfection but I do worry about under thrown passes that leads to turnovers and missed opportunities. It wasn't just one pass. It was several. Even the completed passes had receivers going to the ground to make the catch when they could have made extra yardage if the ball had a little more on it. Now was it because of being under pressure, I'm not 100% sure and will need to look at the replay but sitting in the dome yesterday I saw several under thrown balls.

The Stills under throw could have been a timing issue... I can see Drew still working out the window for Stills and i can also see Stills adrenalin at 150% because of where he was and the whole first NFL game etc... Once he gets comfortable i hope the timing gets better.

Honestly, against Atlanta in the dome, my fat azz could run a 4.2s 40 for one of Drews passes with nothing but goal line in front of me also

.. So if I could have run a 4.2s then Kenny was running a 2.9s 40

blackangold · 09-09-2013, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

What worried me yesterday was how Drew under threw a lot of passes.
His pick was under thrown, had Stills wide open for what could have been 6 but Stills had to wait on the ball and it was broken up. Hopefully it was just a one day thing and Drew hasn't lost some arm strength.

Drew has never had a big arm. His timing was off thats all. The INT was just a great play by the DB and the other under-throws were timing issues considering they were all to stills.

Rhythm and timing is tough for an offense to get down. A new running scheme and new receivers means growing pains for the first few weeks.

SaintsBro · 09-09-2013, 01:38 PM

I thought yesterday looked to me like a LOT of other Saints games from the past (especially 2010, it seemed to happen a lot then) where the offense kinda does a Rip Van Winkle, and goes to sleep for a while, for a quarter or so, then it suddenly wakes up and says "Oh, gee, I almost forgot, we're AWESOME" and then they just turn on the jets again and start humming.

I remember the quote from Aaron Kromer last year, that the Saints offense historically tends to be, it's either a three-and-out, or it's points. Historically that is the pattern they have observed.

Obviously, in theory the coaches want to score every time they have the ball, and are never satisfied with anything....in theory....but in reality, that pattern is okay by them, as long as they DO score a lot of points and as long as they can limit the three-and-outs.

But historically, in terms of the offense, once they get that first first down in a drive, or maybe the second first down, then it's usually off to the races from there on.

This was Sunday, BTW:

Itals: Three and outs (or close to it)
Bold = Points

01:34 - 4 plays 19 yards Punt
03:07 6 palys 23 yds Downs
05:35 12 plays 50 yds Field Goal
01:26 3 plays 31 yds Touchdown
04:02 6 plays 67 yds Field Goal
00:30 2plays 7 yards End of Half
01:08 3 plays -9 yards Punt
05:19 10 plays 80 yds Touchdown
00:08 1 play 0 Intercepted Pass ----
04:53 10 plays 55 yds Punt ---> In a way, this and the INT are the only times they truly "failed" all day
06:12 10 68 yds Field Goal
00:43 2 plays -2 End of Game

If either of those two in red had been POINTS, they would have had a ratio of almost exactly 2 to 1 between scores and punts/3 and outs.

poydras · 09-16-2013, 08:02 AM

Wow, another close one. I kinda had this one penciled in as a win but I didn't know we'd be playing under those conditions. Three yards in one game and 5 seconds in another separate us from being 0-2 instead of 2-0 so I'm still in a "we'll see" mode as to what this team is going to do. I think I'll know more after seeing them play this weekend. No hate-fest rivalry, no first game jitters, no inclement weather and sitting around in the locker room getting stiff after warm-ups; just a normal game at a normal time in the Super Dome against a pretty good opponent.

Danno · 09-16-2013, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by poydras

Wow, another close one. I kinda had this one penciled in as a win but I didn't know we'd be playing under those conditions. Three yards in one game and 5 seconds in another separate us from being 0-2 instead of 2-0 so I'm still in a "we'll see" mode as to what this team is going to do. I think I'll know more after seeing them play this weekend. No hate-fest rivalry, no first game jitters, no inclement weather and sitting around in the locker room getting stiff after warm-ups; just a normal game at a normal time in the Super Dome against a pretty good opponent.

The only trouble I see are that injuries are piling up, and fast.

If we had just a normal amount of dinged up players we're an easy 2-0, probably double digit wins in both games.

You could see the D-line running out of gas in the 4th quarter. How they managed to keep fighting was amazing to me and they deserve major respect, and a day off.

Arizona is gameplanning to exploit our injured d-line as we speak.

09-09-2013, 12:17 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by papz I can't believe someone is actually worried about our offense. Our offense. Really? Well come to think of it, it's not surprising at all. What's next on the checklist to complain about? Bye week rust.

09-09-2013, 10:56 AM	#2
NOS2SB Shampoo Join Date: May 2011 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 454	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Poydras is a worry wart. foreverfan likes this.

09-09-2013, 11:32 AM	#3
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. What worried me yesterday was how Drew under threw a lot of passes. His pick was under thrown, had Stills wide open for what could have been 6 but Stills had to wait on the ball and it was broken up. Hopefully it was just a one day thing and Drew hasn't lost some arm strength. SmashMouth likes this.

09-09-2013, 11:45 AM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. One of the undertones I had to sift through involved a perceived decline in Saints all-world quarterback Drew Brees. I honestly don't understand what Saints fans want from Brees. If his league-leading 43 TDs weren't enough, his conducting of the second overall offense should have been. The game against the Falcons was much of the same. Going 26-of-35 for 357 yards (two TDs) was vintage Brees. His command of the huddle may be only superseded by his ability to execute. Any talk of his decline is premature at this point. Fans expect perfection from Brees; they should just settle for him being better than 95 percent of the other quarterbacks in the league. ...

09-09-2013, 11:55 AM	#5
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| ... I don't expect perfection but I do worry about under thrown passes that leads to turnovers and missed opportunities. It wasn't just one pass. It was several. Even the completed passes had receivers going to the ground to make the catch when they could have made extra yardage if the ball had a little more on it. Now was it because of being under pressure, I'm not 100% sure and will need to look at the replay but sitting in the dome yesterday I saw several under thrown balls.

09-09-2013, 11:59 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I don't expect perfection but I do worry about under thrown passes that leads to turnovers and missed opportunities. It wasn't just one pass. It was several. Even the completed passes had receivers going to the ground to make the catch when they could have made extra yardage if the ball had a little more on it. Now was it because of being under pressure, I'm not 100% sure and will need to look at the replay but sitting in the dome yesterday I saw several under thrown balls. The Stills under throw could have been a timing issue... I can see Drew still working out the window for Stills and i can also see Stills adrenalin at 150% because of where he was and the whole first NFL game etc... Once he gets comfortable i hope the timing gets better. Honestly, against Atlanta in the dome, my fat azz could run a 4.2s 40 for one of Drews passes with nothing but goal line in front of me also .. So if I could have run a 4.2s then Kenny was running a 2.9s 40
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-09-2013, 12:09 PM	#7
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by Budsdrinker What worried me yesterday was how Drew under threw a lot of passes. His pick was under thrown, had Stills wide open for what could have been 6 but Stills had to wait on the ball and it was broken up. Hopefully it was just a one day thing and Drew hasn't lost some arm strength. Drew has never had a big arm. His timing was off thats all. The INT was just a great play by the DB and the other under-throws were timing issues considering they were all to stills. Rhythm and timing is tough for an offense to get down. A new running scheme and new receivers means growing pains for the first few weeks.

09-09-2013, 01:38 PM	#8
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. I thought yesterday looked to me like a LOT of other Saints games from the past (especially 2010, it seemed to happen a lot then) where the offense kinda does a Rip Van Winkle, and goes to sleep for a while, for a quarter or so, then it suddenly wakes up and says "Oh, gee, I almost forgot, we're AWESOME" and then they just turn on the jets again and start humming. I remember the quote from Aaron Kromer last year, that the Saints offense historically tends to be, it's either a three-and-out, or it's points. Historically that is the pattern they have observed. Obviously, in theory the coaches want to score every time they have the ball, and are never satisfied with anything....in theory....but in reality, that pattern is okay by them, as long as they DO score a lot of points and as long as they can limit the three-and-outs. But historically, in terms of the offense, once they get that first first down in a drive, or maybe the second first down, then it's usually off to the races from there on. This was Sunday, BTW: Itals: Three and outs (or close to it) Bold = Points 01:34 - 4 plays 19 yards Punt 03:07 6 palys 23 yds Downs 05:35 12 plays 50 yds Field Goal 01:26 3 plays 31 yds Touchdown 04:02 6 plays 67 yds Field Goal 00:30 2plays 7 yards End of Half 01:08 3 plays -9 yards Punt 05:19 10 plays 80 yds Touchdown 00:08 1 play 0 Intercepted Pass ---- 04:53 10 plays 55 yds Punt ---> In a way, this and the INT are the only times they truly "failed" all day 06:12 10 68 yds Field Goal 00:43 2 plays -2 End of Game If either of those two in red had been POINTS, they would have had a ratio of almost exactly 2 to 1 between scores and punts/3 and outs. TheOak and SloMotion like this.

09-16-2013, 08:02 AM	#9
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Wow, another close one. I kinda had this one penciled in as a win but I didn't know we'd be playing under those conditions. Three yards in one game and 5 seconds in another separate us from being 0-2 instead of 2-0 so I'm still in a "we'll see" mode as to what this team is going to do. I think I'll know more after seeing them play this weekend. No hate-fest rivalry, no first game jitters, no inclement weather and sitting around in the locker room getting stiff after warm-ups; just a normal game at a normal time in the Super Dome against a pretty good opponent.

09-16-2013, 08:09 AM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by poydras Wow, another close one. I kinda had this one penciled in as a win but I didn't know we'd be playing under those conditions. Three yards in one game and 5 seconds in another separate us from being 0-2 instead of 2-0 so I'm still in a "we'll see" mode as to what this team is going to do. I think I'll know more after seeing them play this weekend. No hate-fest rivalry, no first game jitters, no inclement weather and sitting around in the locker room getting stiff after warm-ups; just a normal game at a normal time in the Super Dome against a pretty good opponent. The only trouble I see are that injuries are piling up, and fast. If we had just a normal amount of dinged up players we're an easy 2-0, probably double digit wins in both games. You could see the D-line running out of gas in the 4th quarter. How they managed to keep fighting was amazing to me and they deserve major respect, and a day off. Arizona is gameplanning to exploit our injured d-line as we speak. foreverfan, SloMotion and lee909 like this.

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